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  1. #21
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    I'll be honest, I don't really know what specifically I'm doing wrong. Rather new to tanking, but everything I do just feels so very mediocre. Damage taken feels kinda high at times, damage done seems kinda low.
    I also don't know if I should be not letting elusive brew/guard cap or bank it to save for damage spikes. I feel like I'm struggling to improve as a tank because I'm not sure how to asses myself; I've only ever played DPS before this.
    Last edited by Kegge; 2015-01-14 at 03:39 PM.

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Aertea View Post
    Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done (Tonights H Butcher, feel free to look at any of the other fights)
    Spec: Windwalker
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Tenziin/simple

    My monk guildy was asking for some advice to improve, unfortunately monks aren't a class I know much about. Any help would be appreciated.
    Tiger Power is OK, however he missed a huge amount of abilities, I am not gonna count how many exactly but since autoattacks are his highest source of damage you can imagine. He should work on fitting as many RSK and FoF as he can. His Chi wave is not that bad but since it's not that high of a priority he should shift his attention to the other two. Near the end he summoned a clone, probably a misclick or something but that should never happen on Butcher. 10 casts of CJL - that ability should be gone from his bars.

  3. #23
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...enebrus/simple (I JUST got my Bladefists tonight. I was running with doubble normal Phemos Axes)
    Spec: Windwalker
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): M Twins Kill; https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...7&type=summary
    H Butcher Kill https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...6&type=summary

    I know I should be doing way more DPS than just 30k. I feel like there are a few things that I am falling short on overall too. On single my DPS seems especially low.
    I'm someone who strives for improvement, so give me whatever you go, I wouldn't mind jumping into a VOIP and having a chat too (that'd be great actually!, or having a person or 2 add my battle tag for questions, pointers)

    Thank you in advance!

  4. #24
    Armory: eu.battle.net/wow/en/character/auchindoun/lofti/advanced
    Spec: BrM
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): (M) Brackenspore - warcraftlogs.com/reports/nFwjz1ThkgVNWHX9


    Summary of the problem:
    I died a lot on Brackenspore last night and I have a hard time sorting out what was causing it. We did twenty-or-so attempts and I don't think it is my gear that is failing me.

    I believe it was lack of healing, I checked deathnote several times and saw spaces of no incoming heals. I switched from ChiEX to Serenity to reduce my stagger, but even that wasn't working.

    Please help me. I need to know what the problem was so that I can fix it..
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  5. #25

    Why is DPS lacking?

    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Nokie/advanced
    Spec: Windwalker
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): (H Butcher on 2015-01-13): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...e-done&fight=5

    In what I feel was a perfect execution of the rotation, at ilevel 665 I only did 26652 DPS (78th percentile). I can't understand what is missing to make this better. It's been roughly the same 'percentile' for all of the heroic bosses and I'm including the Butcher encounter as a clean baseline to understand what's wrong or missing from how I'm executing the rotation. Any suggestions would be very welcomed. Below are my thoughts:

    • Pre-potted, and then used an agility potion again during heroism at 30% health
    • Was specced Chi Brew/Serenity, used the cheaper agility potion, and had the 200 multistrike food buff
    • Am NOT using the 690 legendary ring (4 stones away) - maybe this has a lot to do with it?
    • My 2 gems are the 35 multistrike versions (not the more expensive 50 multistrike gems)
    • I used Transcendance to immediately get back on the boss during the knockback and then re-apply the placeholder when he rushes to ranged. Otherwise, I've got very good uptime on the boss
    • For this specific log, you won't see Dampen Harm used and that's simply because I neglected to spec to it before we pulled. I know that DH & ToK are effective to use during the stacks
    • My armory now shows 668 ilevel but at the time of this log I was 665 and didn't have the Captive Micro-Aberration trinket - was using the 1/3 Skull of War 640

    What am I missing?
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  6. #26
    Armory: us.battle.net/wow/pt/character/nemesis/Frennesy/simple
    Spec: Brewmaster
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): warcraftlogs.com/reports/WDk3gfp4tXZKyYxA#type=damage-taken

    Hey, I'm looking for some good tips for my guildmate BrM, both tanks looks underperfomance and stressing healers in this fight (butcher).
    Ty.

  7. #27
    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...r%C3%AD/simple
    Spec: WW
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&fight=25


    Ok, i'm looking at another DK, with 680 doing way better: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=7

    I was taking a quick look at the logs and kinda look the same. Can someone just tell me what i'm doing wrong?

    Thanks.

  8. #28
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    Quote Originally Posted by barraca93 View Post
    Hey i've some problems with butcher i dont know but i deal very low dps about 20k and im ilvl 657 :S

    here is the log

    http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...Cdykf#fight=20


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    Mod note: Moved, please check existing threads before making your own.
    Looking at Butcher:

    Tiger Power - 97%
    Fists of fury - 8 of 9
    Rising Sun Kick - 23 of 31
    Chi Wave - 13 of 16
    Touch of Karma - 2 of 3
    Serenity - 3 of 3
    Chi Brew - 4 of 5
    Energizing Brew - 2 of 4

    You definitely lost DPS in missed casts of a few of the abilities above. You also didnt seem to be lining up your TEB usage with anything at all, frequently use it right after FoF finishes. You want to time TEB up with trinket procs or big damage abilities like Serenity and FoF. Finally it took you a little into the fight to get your first TEB up, the sooner you can get it up into the fight, regardless of stacks, you will be able to make use of all your buff lining up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nuex View Post
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...enebrus/simple (I JUST got my Bladefists tonight. I was running with doubble normal Phemos Axes)
    Spec: Windwalker
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): M Twins Kill; https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...7&type=summary
    H Butcher Kill https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...6&type=summary

    I know I should be doing way more DPS than just 30k. I feel like there are a few things that I am falling short on overall too. On single my DPS seems especially low.
    I'm someone who strives for improvement, so give me whatever you go, I wouldn't mind jumping into a VOIP and having a chat too (that'd be great actually!, or having a person or 2 add my battle tag for questions, pointers)

    Thank you in advance!
    Looking at Butcher:

    Tiger Power - 94.5%
    Fists of fury - 7 of 8
    Rising Sun Kick - 22 of 27
    Chi Wave - 13 of 14
    Touch of Karma - 2 of 3
    Serenity - 3 of 3
    Energizing Brew - 2 of 3

    You are missing some casts, but not much. You also didnt use Chi Brew, so I assume you used Ascension, which wont' give you quite as high dps. Other than that you're not missing very much, you were in the 71st percentile for your gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by billimek View Post
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Nokie/advanced
    Spec: Windwalker
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): (H Butcher on 2015-01-13): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...e-done&fight=5

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    What am I missing?
    Not entirely sure why 78th percentile is cause for concern, specially considering your comparatively low ilvl.
    Looking at Butcher:

    Tiger Power - 99%
    Fists of fury - 8 of 8
    Rising Sun Kick - 21 of 26
    Chi Wave - 12 of 14
    Touch of Karma - 2 of 3
    Serenity - 3 of 3
    Chi Brew - 4 of 4
    Energizing Brew - 3 of 3

    Pretty hard to find you more dps, not sure why you think you should be doing more.
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  9. #29

    Doing something terribly wrong - Please help

    Hey Guys,

    I thought I was a good WW until I saw some of the logs/Dps and percentile.
    I need some serious help please.

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...QFGvLA#fight=5
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...kenrahl/simple

    I know with my gear and less people are pulling 50 K on Twins. I really need help

    Feel free to look at other fights to point my mistakes.
    I am using pots (I know I used only one that fight) but apart from that, please assist.
    Call me names, make faces at me, but please help.

    Thank you

    Moved: Please look for current threads before making a new one.
    Last edited by Babylonius; 2015-01-15 at 01:43 AM. Reason: Moved

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Darkenrahll View Post
    Hey Guys,

    I thought I was a good WW until I saw some of the logs/Dps and percentile.
    I need some serious help please.

    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...QFGvLA#fight=5
    http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...kenrahl/simple

    I know with my gear and less people are pulling 50 K on Twins. I really need help

    Feel free to look at other fights to point my mistakes.
    I am using pots (I know I used only one that fight) but apart from that, please assist.
    Call me names, make faces at me, but please help.

    Thank you

    Moved: Please look for current threads before making a new one.
    Let's clear few things out of the way first: No one pulls 50k on Twins with 669 iLvL. No one. It was plausible to do in the past with PvP 2 piece, but there are NO available logs for anyone going past 48k DPS without the PvP 2 piece that is now disabled.

  11. #31
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Laion/advanced
    Spec: Windwalker
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...auras&source=8

    I was simming at 30.8k dps in the gear I was in for Butcher, but I only did 27.8k.

    Things that I noticed I did wrong:

    • I missed one Serenity (I misjudged the amount of time the fight would take and delayed my second Serenity to line up with the Coin). I could have done an extra Serenity around 1m40s into the fight, then delayed my second coin use by a minute for a 3rd Serenity right at the end.
    • My pre-pot got messed up because of an early pull.
    • I royally screwed up TeB, I forgot to hit it before my first FoF, and then I kept using it too early because I was getting too many stacks. Then I wouldn't have 10 stacks for my next FoF. Even if I only have 8 stacks, should I use them before FoF? I'm not entirely sure what the best use of TeB would be since I don't have any trinket procs. I try to use it with Tiger Strikes up and Coin/Serenity.
    • I was having issues with Chi Wave casts being delayed by FoF/RSK/TP etc, which made me miss 5 Chi Waves throughout the fight.

    Would the things listed above make the 3k difference in dps? Am I missing anything else? And should I be lining up all my Serenities with Coin and all my FoFs with TeB?

  12. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aertea View Post
    Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done (Tonights H Butcher, feel free to look at any of the other fights)
    Spec: Windwalker
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Tenziin/simple

    My monk guildy was asking for some advice to improve, unfortunately monks aren't a class I know much about. Any help would be appreciated.
    A few points:

    - Tiger Power uptime at 93% on a static fight like The Butcher. Should be almost 100%, except perhaps if you miss a knockback.
    - He activated Storm, Earth and Fire on a fight with no adds (!!!) for 10% of the fight duration (during the last 30%, too). Big DPS hit.
    - RSK debuff dropped a little.
    - The average for the 648 - 662 band on WCL is ~24K for a WW Monk.
    - Why is he casting Crackling Jade Lightning 10 times? (or even, you know, more than 0 times)
    - I don't see a huge amount of Chi or Energy wastage, which is good

  13. #33
    Armory:http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...enseftw/simple
    Spec: Windwalker
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...mmary&source=4

    I consider myself a decent Monk player. But I just can't seem to pull high numbers on Butcher Mythic. I'm running Chi Brew + Serenity, Had 1 try with Ascension + ChiEx. I see monks pulling 30k+ Atleast, And i can't seem to end the fight over 27k.

    I usually start with TigerPalm -> RisingKick -> ChiBrew*2 -> TigereyeBrew -> FistofFury -> Serenity -> BOKSPAM.
    I use TigereyeBrew on every Fist of Fury, and Serenity. Trying to get both cooldowns into 1 Tigereyebrew.
    Chi Wave is used offCD and under 40energy.
    I currently have HC Margok + Butcher Normal trinkets.


    General help is also appreciated.
    Thanks.

  14. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseFTW View Post
    Armory:http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...enseftw/simple
    Spec: Windwalker
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...mmary&source=4

    I consider myself a decent Monk player. But I just can't seem to pull high numbers on Butcher Mythic. I'm running Chi Brew + Serenity, Had 1 try with Ascension + ChiEx. I see monks pulling 30k+ Atleast, And i can't seem to end the fight over 27k.

    I usually start with TigerPalm -> RisingKick -> ChiBrew*2 -> TigereyeBrew -> FistofFury -> Serenity -> BOKSPAM.
    I use TigereyeBrew on every Fist of Fury, and Serenity. Trying to get both cooldowns into 1 Tigereyebrew.
    Chi Wave is used offCD and under 40energy.
    I currently have HC Margok + Butcher Normal trinkets.


    General help is also appreciated.
    Thanks.
    Looking at a few of the Butcher attempts,

    -Tiger Palm uptime is sub %90. For butcher, it should be %95 or higher.
    -FoF is not being used near as often as it should, especially towards the ends of the fight.
    -There are several FoF that got clipped, I assume to bounding cleave. Watch the timer and start it with enough time to finish most/all of the channel.
    -You should have a Weak Aura for the proc on your 690 ring and try to use TEB along with that.
    -On butcher, ToK should be used on CD when your side is going to be taking dmg.


    Overall, it looks pretty good. The reason other monks were so high on logs was the use of the PvP 2pc bonus. That is now disabled in PvE, so logs next week should be a better reflection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyon View Post
    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Laion/advanced
    Spec: Windwalker
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...auras&source=8

    I was simming at 30.8k dps in the gear I was in for Butcher, but I only did 27.8k.

    Things that I noticed I did wrong:

    • I missed one Serenity (I misjudged the amount of time the fight would take and delayed my second Serenity to line up with the Coin). I could have done an extra Serenity around 1m40s into the fight, then delayed my second coin use by a minute for a 3rd Serenity right at the end.
    • My pre-pot got messed up because of an early pull.
    • I royally screwed up TeB, I forgot to hit it before my first FoF, and then I kept using it too early because I was getting too many stacks. Then I wouldn't have 10 stacks for my next FoF. Even if I only have 8 stacks, should I use them before FoF? I'm not entirely sure what the best use of TeB would be since I don't have any trinket procs. I try to use it with Tiger Strikes up and Coin/Serenity.
    • I was having issues with Chi Wave casts being delayed by FoF/RSK/TP etc, which made me miss 5 Chi Waves throughout the fight.

    Would the things listed above make the 3k difference in dps? Am I missing anything else? And should I be lining up all my Serenities with Coin and all my FoFs with TeB?
    You are on the right track. Keep in mind that sims use a patchwerk style. No movement at all. While this fight is as close as we get, there are still bounding cleaves and such going on, so you will likely not get exactly to your sim level. The improvements you noted yourself will help.

    You should line up TeB with procs and trinkets. Ideally, since coin is 20 sec, TeB is 15, serenity is 10, FoF is 4. You can line up TeB and coin with serenity and go into FoF. You would want to jab once or twice in between typically to dump some energy, but if you have all your procs lined up, it is more beneficial to go directly one into the other.

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    Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Chiriko/simple
    Spec: Mistweaver
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...ses&boss=77404

    Hey All,

    This is a parse for one of my guild members. We seem to have trouble on fights that require any decent amount of healing, and going by the meters it seems that our monk is having the most issues in terms of throughput. He is a nice guy that shows up every night, and seems to have no trouble with boss mechanics so I want to see if we can get his healing to where it needs to be.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by IntenseFTW View Post
    Armory:http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...enseftw/simple
    Spec: Windwalker
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL): https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...mmary&source=4

    I consider myself a decent Monk player. But I just can't seem to pull high numbers on Butcher Mythic. I'm running Chi Brew + Serenity, Had 1 try with Ascension + ChiEx. I see monks pulling 30k+ Atleast, And i can't seem to end the fight over 27k.

    I usually start with TigerPalm -> RisingKick -> ChiBrew*2 -> TigereyeBrew -> FistofFury -> Serenity -> BOKSPAM.
    I use TigereyeBrew on every Fist of Fury, and Serenity. Trying to get both cooldowns into 1 Tigereyebrew.
    Chi Wave is used offCD and under 40energy.
    I currently have HC Margok + Butcher Normal trinkets.


    General help is also appreciated.
    Thanks.
    Tiny fix to your opener:

    Do: TP - RSK - BoK + 2x Chi Brew (the order depends if you started with 4 or 5 chi, you will have to do CB - BoK - CB if you started with 5 Chi, if with 4 Chi, you can do CB CB BoK.

    This ensures that you trigger the 4 Chi spent TEB stacks gain once and leaves you at 3/4 Chi to cast FoF with. After you have finished FoF channel you will use Jab twice to bring your energy down to 10 and give you chi for Serenity.

    From the logs: There is a 4 minute 14 second long pull where you used Touch of Karma only once. This ability should be used THREE times during that fight.

    Same with Dampen Harm. Also you should precast that ability before pull to shave off 10-20 seconds from the cooldown. Depending on which group you are. If you want to do it the safe way, just cast it when the tank throws 7/10 second pull timer.

    You had 2 massive gaps on your Tiger Power buff. Brings you down to ~90% uptime which should be closer to 100%.

    You cast FoF 7 times, had the chance to cast 9. Also once you did not time it properly and it got cut short by the knockback.

    Time your personal cooldowns so that you have Fortifying Brew available when the boss is at sub 10% to use together with ToD if possible at all.

  17. #37
    Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/de/characte.../Grimmy/simple
    Spec: Windwalker
    Combat Log Parse (WoL/WCL):
    - Brackenspore: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...7XNb8#fight=25
    - Twins: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...pe=damage-done
    - Tectus https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&fight=43

    got some problems with my cleave dmg, Singletarget is np but im not able to handle the cleave dmg
    Dont look at the Tectus kill, i know its horrible but i linked the try before

  18. #38
    Wait so because I linked a way to see all my current logs, you called it stealth bragging. Whatever. Seems like only WW get any love any way

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    Quote Originally Posted by Karmaqq View Post
    Wait so because I linked a way to see all my current logs, you called it stealth bragging. Whatever. Seems like only WW get any love any way
    I don't believe anyone mentioned your post saying not to stealth brag. It could refer to the analysis I did right before you posted where I couldnt find anything wrong and the person was in the +75th percentile.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Karmaqq View Post
    Wait so because I linked a way to see all my current logs, you called it stealth bragging. Whatever. Seems like only WW get any love any way
    It was probably directed at me but it certainly wasn't meant to be that.

    Only been a WW since like....April when MW was bad in 25, so I'm no expert, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something.
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