US DOJ closing bank accounts of lawful gun stores

[Dendrek]

There have been many instances of allegations of this operation being used to punish business activities that the Obama admin disagree with such as firearms/ammunition sales.

The thing about allegations is that they can be made by misinformed or biased people. I allege that a swat team broke into my house yesterday looking for a lost puppy. Prove me wrong.

Allegations only have merit if they come with detailed descriptions of what actually happened, and not just opinions about possible motivations.

Or does it suddenly become legitimate if enough people present biased allegations?

Note: I'm not saying the DOJ can't be using this operation as an excuse to violate the rights of the companies they target. But the theory that they are is a conspiracy theory. And those are especially hard to accept when their only evidence is a bunch of opinion pieces.

Also note: These companies were practically guaranteed to make a stink about this operation and blame Obama for it regardless of if their allegations are true. Any government action that even looks sideways at guns (or religion, for that matter) is definitely going to be blamed on Obama. Their obvious bias is going to make it that much more important that they actually prove their claims.

[Prokne]

are the poor to ignorant to know that they are being charged a huge interest on that loan? why are belittling the intelligence of the poor are they not capable to make their own decisions on maters like that or do they once again need daddy government to make sure they don't make poor decisions

I don't think the poor are stupid for using payday loans, they are just more likely to use them because of their financial circumstances. When the choice is to default on your car, house, apartment or some other really important thing or take a payday loan at a high interest rate, you do the latter and hope you can make up the money you lose later. Its called predatory lending because it lends mostly to people who don't have many choices and are in a precarious financial state.

unless you can show proof that gun shops are prone to launder money your argument has no merit
I find businesses like Gun Shops are usually more legit and within the law then other businesses because they know they will be under the microscope because of the gun grabber lobby we have
you can launder money with any type of business so why would you choose a business you know will have more scrutiny then others

I didn't say they were, I said "they were chosen probably have been historically found to be more likely to launder money." I don't know of anywhere that says how the DoJ chose these business types, I just assume it is rational and based on past cases. In states with lots of gun laws and paperwork needed to buy and sell guns, I would agree that it is unlikely that a gun dealership would be easy to launder money with; however, there are lots of places where you can easily buy and sell guns without a whole lot of documentation.

[Sunseeker]

because they cant afford the lawyers to go after and sue the DOJ for it
its always easier to go after the little guy they don't have the resources to defend them selves

Which has nothing to do with anything. If the point was to stop a certain form of business, shutting down small-time operations when multi-billion-dollar corporations do the same thing millions upon millions of times over every day, DOES ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.

[Vyxn]

I don't think the poor are stupid for using payday loans, they are just more likely to use them because of their financial circumstances. When the choice is to default on your car, house, apartment or some other really important thing or take a payday loan at a high interest rate, you do the latter and hope you can make up the money you lose later. Its called predatory lending because it lends mostly to people who don't have many choices and are in a precarious financial state.

so you want to take away the only resource some poor have to be able to pay for a sudden unexpected expense. reason why these payday loans companies charge such a high interest rate is because of the amount of defaults they have on loans so to cover their loses

I didn't say they were, I said "they were chosen probably have been historically found to be more likely to launder money." I don't know of anywhere that says how the DoJ chose these business types, I just assume it is rational and based on past cases. In states with lots of gun laws and paperwork needed to buy and sell guns, I would agree that it is unlikely that a gun dealership would be easy to launder money with; however, there are lots of places where you can easily buy and sell guns without a whole lot of documentation.

"they were chosen probably have been historically found to be more likely to launder money" is the reason your assuming the DOJ is doing so. so what im asking for is the history of Gun shops engaging in money laundering so to justify the DOJ targeting

[Prokne]

so you want to take away the only resource some poor have to be able to pay for a sudden unexpected expense. reason why these payday loans companies charge such a high interest rate is because of the amount of defaults they have on loans so to cover their loses

"they were chosen probably have been historically found to be more likely to launder money" is the reason your assuming the DOJ is doing so. so what im asking for is the history of Gun shops engaging in money laundering so to justify the DOJ targeting

I would prefer to give them a better resource that doesn't profit off of their situation.

If you want to know why the DoJ chose gun dealers, you should look it up. I presented an idea of why I think they did and the reasons why I believe that, and have no intention of wasting my time looking for the reason because I believe it will be as I expected.

[Orbitus]

I would prefer to give them a better resource that doesn't profit off of their situation.

If you want to know why the DoJ chose gun dealers, you should look it up. I presented an idea of why I think they did and the reasons why I believe that, and have no intention of wasting my time looking for the reason because I believe it will be as I expected.

Vyxn is just trying to look for any new scandal that he can tie to the Whitehouse to continue to railroad the Obama administration into more congressional hearings.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Is "The Blaze" actually a thing people pay attention to? I've never heard of it until this thread.

The Blaze sounds like a magazine for pot smokers.