Hatred gets a AO "Adults Only" rating in the USA. "2nd game ever to get the AO rating

[unholytestament]

You would be correct if the discussion didn't continuously spin back into the which one is more acceptable.

No, Edge is correct because "acceptable" does not mean "better".

[Edge-]

You would be correct if the discussion didn't continuously spin back into the which one is more acceptable.

That's a moralistic judgment of which is more/less acceptable, yes. I don't see how that makes people say that one game is better than another, simply that the presentation of murder in one game is more/less offensive than another, which is a valid subjective criticism to make. One cannot, for example, say that the presentation of killing in Call of Duty is the same as that in Saints Row (the modern ones) and/or the same as the presentation in Spec Ops: The Line and/or the presentation in Hatred (from what we've seen). All games present the death in different matters and provide different context for player actions, which impacts how the killing is perceived by the player.

Not all killing is equal in the eyes of peoples or societies moral judgments, hence why the ESRB rates games with murder/death/violence in them differently depending on how said murder/death/violence is presented and what its context is.

[Tradewind]

Pretty sure I wanna buy this even more now.

[Hupriest]

Pretty sure I wanna buy this even more now.

I'm in the same boat though for a different reason. I'm a collector by nature so if it ends up on Steam, it'll most likely end up in my library one point or another. I tend to avoid drm-free stuff since its hard to keep a neat library and I tend to end up buying doubles (I have copies of games that I've bought on Gog only to end up getting on steam because I forgot I already had it -.-).

[Mahourai]

GTA is satire. Hatred is not.

This is why the torture scene in GTA stunned everybody - because it was the only thing in the game that was deliberately NOT satire.

Hatred is better satire than GTA, probably.

[Hupriest]

Hatred is better satire than GTA, probably.

Hatred is either a game you'll own because you are curious, a collector or just ... um ... 'unique'?

[Mahourai]

Hatred is either a game you'll own because you are curious, a collector or just ... um ... 'unique'?

Did you mean to quote my post when you wrote this?

[Hupriest]

Did you mean to quote my post when you wrote this?

Bah I didn't but too late now, I have dragged you in and I will not let go. Plus, I'm lazy so ya, gg.

[Mechazod]

So has it been revealed where this is going be sold at yet?

[Fencers]

Semantics don't matter.

Semantics is one of the most important aspects of communication and discussion. Semantic conversations do not mean "trivial differences in wording" as commonly and incorrectly used on gaming forums.

It is even more important to precisely identify, isolate and discuss what we really mean and what things actually are by the phrasing and wording given when talking about a subject such as contextual violence in art.

To be quite frank, it is fantastically silly to ever suggest the meaning and logic of language does not matter when the primary method of communication are in fact, words.

[Deleted]

Am i the only one that is more "concerned" about the growing number of erotic games or hentai games on steam than another killing game? Steam seems to open up to the hentai game market and i would have expected that that would anger more people than a game like Hatred but nobody seems to give a damn about it.

[Edge-]

Am i the only one that is more "concerned" about the growing number of erotic games or hentai games on steam than another killing game? Steam seems to open up to the hentai game market and i would have expected that that would anger more people than a game like Hatred but nobody seems to give a damn about it.

IIRC they don't allow "hard" porn in their games, just softcore nudity (which isn't foreign to games, as mainstream games like Far Cry 3 or Metro: Last Light feature nudity).

Don't see the problem with that, either, as it's behind similar age-gates to the games with heavy violence etc.

[Deleted]

IIRC they don't allow "hard" porn in their games, just softcore nudity (which isn't foreign to games, as mainstream games like Far Cry 3 or Metro: Last Light feature nudity).

Don't see the problem with that, either, as it's behind similar age-gates to the games with heavy violence etc.

Declaring the game softcore on steam while the developer describes how to uncensor the game on the offical steam forum counts as a hardcore game to me. I havent played the game so i cant really tell if its really hardcore but the cg really implies that.
And steam does have age gates? I dont see any suggested age on any steam shop page and the only age verifycation i ever saw on steam was te typing in of your birth date. And i live in a country where steam doesnt even sell me mortal kombat but i can easily obtain a hracore porn game.

[Edge-]

And steam does have age gates? I dont see any suggested age on any steam shop page and the only age verifycation i ever saw on steam was te typing in of your birth date. And i live in a country where steam doesnt even sell me mortal kombat but i can easily obtain a hracore porn game.

When viewing certain games, you are required to put in your date of birth, the standard online age-gate. Yeah, easy to bypass but that's all that exists right now.

[Deleted]

When viewing certain games, you are required to put in your date of birth, the standard online age-gate. Yeah, easy to bypass but that's all that exists right now.

Not every time from what i have expierenced but like you said its easy to bypass.

[LiiLoSNK]

iI think kids these days are able to play games like this and not have it persuade them to go on an actual killing spree. i'm significantly more afraid of the people who play the japanese waifu simulator games because they're actually trying to escape reality and marry a computer program.

[Edge-]

iI think kids these days are able to play games like this and not have it persuade them to go on an actual killing spree. i'm significantly more afraid of the people who play the japanese waifu simulator games because they're actually trying to escape reality and marry a computer program.

Or they're just having a fun time with an interactive story.

That too.

I mean, as with any game there's a certain level of "escapism" involved for many people, but the vast majority of people are pretty clearly aware there's a difference between a real person and a computer program/anime character : P (though there are some who don't, often to unintentionally and sadly hilarious outcomes)