E-cigs not as safe as people thought?

[Orange Joe]

https://www.yahoo.com/health/hidden-...828992747.html


Is this true? If so it's not looking good for E-cigs.

[Osmeric]

If that's the study I'm thinking of, it was cooked, if not outright fraudulent. They compared worst case e-cigs to best-case cigarettes.

I'll add that an apple will produce 25-50 mg of methanol in your gut when eaten, and most of that is absorbed into your body and metabolized to formaldehyde. So if you're concerned about exposure to traces of formaldehyde, you should avoid eating any fruit or other plant materials containing methylated pectin.

[Avada Kedavra]

im going to need some better tests before I agree or disagree with them. their study is a joke.

[Reeve]

https://www.yahoo.com/health/hidden-...828992747.html


Is this true? If so it's not looking good for E-cigs.

I guess we'll find out when other scientists try to replicate the results. Doesn't necessarily mean that it's not something the E-Cig makers can fix.

[Deleted]

Alternatively don't smoke period....

[Dread Pirate Phayde]

I'd heard a while ago that the problem was people using them improperly, getting too much liquid on the heating elements which cause formaldehyde to form.

[Annoying]

I'd like to know brands. Because there's a buttload of different "commercial" liquids available, and if they're buying some shitty chinese liquid, I wouldn't be surprised.

[Deleted]

Everything causes cancer nowadays. I wouldn't be shocked if my washing machine gave off some sort cancer causing thing.

Screen monitor?

Cancer.

Microwave?

Cancer.

TV?

Oh you bet your stars that's cancer.

Walking down the street on a sunny day?

Terminal cancer.

...But I don't smoke at all, not even that vaping shit that's started to really catch on in Cambridge.

[Themius]

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireSto...vapor-28386398

ABCnews was the only news source on the first page of google that fucking had a proper title that clearly says "in some"

[Stormdash]

I'm no fan of Mencken, but seems his quote about puritanism ("the haunting fear that someone, somewhere is having a good time") applies really well to the pleasure police of the 21st century in the form of the nanny state.

[Acidbaron]

Smoking random Chemicals?

Cancer.

No real surprise

[Deleted]

Screen monitor?

Cancer.

Microwave?

Cancer.

TV?

Oh you bet your stars that's cancer.

Walking down the street on a sunny day?

Terminal cancer.

...But I don't smoke at all, not even that vaping shit that's started to really catch on in Cambridge.

Those damn Cambridge hipsters

[Rukentuts]

I'm no fan of Mencken, but seems his quote about puritanism ("the haunting fear that someone, somewhere is having a good time") applies really well to the pleasure police of the 21st century in the form of the nanny state.

And this addresses the chemicals in e-cigs how? Put the political talking points aside for a moment.

[Lenonis]

I think the fundamental issue with E-cigs is that people confuse "safer" with "safe" ALLLLLLLLLL the time.

For instance it is safer to go out in the sun with sunscreen on. But is it safe? Nooooope.

I'm sure they will find E-cigs will cause all sorts of issues, especially with long term exposure. I'm also sure they will find it to be safer than smoking a cigarette.

[Themius]

They also seemed to leave out that it was only an issue when the temperature was able to be turned up to high which some manufactures allow.

When not on high the amount of Formaldehyde was undetectable.

[Osmeric]

And this addresses the chemicals in e-cigs how? Put the political talking points aside for a moment.

The implication was that the motivation to ban e-cigs wasn't to protect public health, but rather because e-cigs violate a puritanical bias on what the proper solution "should" be (abstinence from smoking).

E-cigs are pretty obviously a boon for public health, compared to ordinary smoking.

[chrisberb]

What makes me wonder is, the study has this image ( http://www.nejm.org/action/showImage...413069&iid=f01 )
Which shows that the "formaldehyde-releasing agent [FRA]" are released at super high rates when the e-cig is operated at high voltage, but almost non-existent at low voltage, do e-cigs have some sort of switch to change the voltage?
Another fun little thing about the study is that they say that the e-cigs give off "formaldehyde-releasing agent [FRA]", but that the effects of these FRA on the body are unknown....cool story.

[Gheld]

Headline is a lie.

it wasn't high levels of formaldehyde found. it was high levels of hemiacetal compounds,

So I had to go and use my genius powers to do some organic chemistry research and found that hemiacetal compounds could become formaldehyde under the right circumstances, those circumstances being exposed to alcohol in an acidic environment. So unless your lungs are full of alcohol and acid the study is bullshit.

[Deleted]

inb4 all the conspiracy theorists...

Seriously, is this actually a surprise to anybody?

A completely unregulated, cheap chinese import that's designed to vapourise a fluid and release it into your lungs is a risk to your health. OMG.
Have you ever seen the side of one of the refill bottle/packages?
It's just as well that smoking those things makes you look like a complete douche, because you'd need to be a fucking idiot to use them anyway.

[Rukentuts]

The implication was that the motivation to ban e-cigs wasn't to protect public health, but rather because e-cigs violate a puritanical bias on what the proper solution "should" be (abstinence from smoking).

E-cigs are pretty obviously a boon for public health, compared to ordinary smoking.

They are much preferred. But not entirely safe like some, but not all, people will say.