500 cases of female genital mutilation in just one month - UK

[Noradin]

A general thread on the subject of genital mutilation wouldn't be inappropriate, but since they have different causes and thus represent different societal issues, threads specifically about one or the other aren't inappropriate either.

Think of it this way: Talks on climate change make sense, right? If you wanted to specifically discuss one aspect of climate change though, such as the ecological impact on critical ecosystems and what sort of outcomes we expect, would you really want people in there yelling about the carbon footprint of General Motors or does that just distract from the more narrow issue you're trying to discuss?

Think of it this way: There are people in your country and you tell them 'no sexism please' and 'no discrimination against minorities' and 'you can't excuse FGM with your culture' and then you turn around and say 'we excuse MGM because of our culture'.

[Noradin]

I'm not excusing it, because of our culture or otherwise.

Not you specifically, the legislative does, though.

[Revi]

uh, is suburbs of paris a bad thing?

Some of them suffer from poverty and high crime, they also have high concentrations of immigrants.

[Deleted]

Considering we've had Muslim immigrants into Britain from places like Pakistan well before he was born, even for a racist comment it doesn't make much sense.

It's almost like Pakistani immigrants suddenly appeared and not 50 years ago.....

[Revi]

It's almost like Pakistani immigrants suddenly appeared and not 50 years ago.....

You'd think a successful immigration and integration policy wouldn't have people practicing barbaric and illegal aspects of their imported culture even 50 years later.

[Kalis]

You'd think a successful immigration and integration policy wouldn't have people practicing barbaric and illegal aspects of their imported culture even 50 years later.

Is female circumcision practised in Pakistan? I thought it was more of an African thing.

[Deleted]

You'd think a successful immigration and integration policy wouldn't have people practicing barbaric and illegal aspects of their imported culture even 50 years later.

It's failed because a vast minority of fanatics and new immigrants do illegal stuff? Well by that logic let's abolish every immigration program and segregate every country because some are bad

[Zecora]

You'd think a successful immigration and integration policy wouldn't have people practicing barbaric and illegal aspects of their imported culture even 50 years later.

Why not? The US is full of people with Italian, Hispanic, Swedish and yes, Norwegian ancestry that is as american as they come, yet every year they cook their traditional feasts, put on their national costumes and so on. People do not cling LESS to their ancestry as time goes by, just because they have become integrated into society. And what is barbaric to me and you can be an important cultural tradition to them.

[Revi]

Why not? The US is full of people with Italian, Hispanic, Swedish and yes, Norwegian ancestry that is as american as they come, yet every year they cook their traditional feasts, put on their national costumes and so on. People do not cling LESS to their ancestry as time goes by, just because they have become integrated into society. And what is barbaric to me and you can be an important cultural tradition to them.

National costumes are like the least important aspect of any culture. It's often what we specifically call culture, but it's hardly relevant to integration or behavior at all.

It doesn't matter that it can be important to them, if anyone moves to a culture where it is both abhorred and illegal, tough shit, that's a tradition you have to give up.

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It's failed because a vast minority of fanatics and new immigrants do illegal stuff? Well by that logic let's abolish every immigration program and segregate every country because some are bad

New immigrants? FGM happens a LOT, in Norway as well, far more than new immigrants can possibly do. Hell, from time to time they discover illegal "clinics" that have not only been around forever, but are also known to entire communities without anyone telling. There's nothing fanatical about it, it's as normal to them as male circumcision is to Americans, and because it's become a religious practice, it's arguably more important.

[Kalis]

New immigrants? FGM happens a LOT, in Norway as well, far more than new immigrants can possibly do. Hell, from time to time they discover illegal "clinics" that have not only been around forever, but are also known to entire communities without anyone telling. There's nothing fanatical about it, it's as normal to them as male circumcision is to Americans, and because it's become a religious practice, it's arguably more important.

I Googled it, and where immigrants in the UK traditionally came from, i.e. India, Pakistan and the West Indies, FGM isn't prevalent...



It is the newer immigrants that practice it, for the UK at least.

[Noradin]

You'd think a successful immigration and integration policy wouldn't have people practicing barbaric and illegal aspects of their imported culture even 50 years later.

If they see the country the immigranted to do something that might appear comparable to them?

[Zecora]

National costumes are like the least important aspect of any culture. It's often what we specifically call culture, but it's hardly relevant to integration or behavior at all.

It doesn't matter that it can be important to them, if anyone moves to a culture where it is both abhorred and illegal, tough shit, that's a tradition you have to give up.

Of course they SHOULD give it up, but it's not hard to understand why they don't.

[Ossandran]

What is FGM supposed to accomplish anyway?

[Noradin]

Reassure them in their sense of cultural identity maybe.

[Revi]

What is FGM supposed to accomplish anyway?

Same as male...

Sex/masturbation is bad, so reduce sexual pleasure to reduce motivation to do bad.

[ramjb]

What about the Jews? Shouldn't they all be deported/Chris Kyled for practising male genital mutilation on their children? How is it different from female genital mutilation?

[taliey]

Immigrant and indigenous/native population practices at odds with each other?

Since when was there a period when they weren't at odds with each other?

[zorkuus]

Same as male...

Sex/masturbation is bad, so reduce sexual pleasure to reduce motivation to do bad.

It's about control. What better way to control people than to control their most primitive urges?

[tankbug]

Doctors make good money on performing the surgery, so they are not motivated to put an end to the practice. Barbarians...

http://www.christiantoday.com/articl...iest/46009.htm
http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...fgm-conviction

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What is FGM supposed to accomplish anyway?

Sex and sexual pleasure makes a woman dirty (unless you're the one giving it to her, perspective is important in this logic), which lowers her market value. Kinda like a used car. It makes sense if you live in a barbaric tribal society, have no education, and don't perceive women as equal human beings.

[tankbug]

Don't forget menstrual blood is the blood of satan in these backwards shithole societies that view women as nothing more than chattel. The real question is why the fuck does anyone in the enlightened west view these practices with anything other than contempt and deference, just as we do things like slavery and animal or human sacrifices?

I think nobody in the west openly defend female circumcision, and only insane people thinks that this is this practice is good. Male ones are a complicated issue, but I think they will be illegal in time.
I also think a minority of immigrants that live in western countries, but are a part of a closed community with people of the same culture and traditions, will go on trips back to their old country to get this ...ceremony done. Why? They want the respect and acceptance of the people of their community. Same reasons why families will stone their children to death of they have dishonored the family. Parental love and humanity thrown aside because it's more important that the neighbors aren't talking shit about their family behind their backs.