3 Muslim students shot to death in apartment near UNC Chapel Hill

[Deleted]

Next time you have to mention Hilter or Stalin or Mao... Those are usually the ones people trot out when they complain about "extreme atheism." Because otherwise we might think you're just talking about the people who sell books or debate creationists.

Hitler was not a ateist.

[Wildtree]

Alright, then "extreme atheism" expresses itself through annoying facebook posts. That's the most harmless "extremism" there is.

here's a thought.... a general rule kinda thing..

The moment you ramble on about religion, you are no longer atheist.... You're religiously motivated...
A true atheist doesn't give a fuck at all. He/she totally ignores the subject.

There is no difference whether someone rambles on with the motif of believe or disbelief..
Both just come from a different angle. The result is however exactly the same..


"Thy shall keep thy theism to thyself"

[Deleted]

here's a thought.... a general rule kinda thing..

The moment you ramble on about religion, you are no longer atheist.... You're religiously motivated...
A true atheist doesn't give a fuck at all. He/she totally ignores the subject.

Not true at all. Have you ever seen an antitheist or someone who is antireligion not be an atheist?

[IKT]

Except for the ones that shoot three people in the head for being religious :P

He is anti-muslim or anti-islam not pro-lack of belief in a god.

[Post]

Am I missing something? Or are we assuming he killed them because of their religion based on a facebook post that they couldn't even confirm?

[Deleted]

Unless of course this dude actually killed three people because of their belief systems and his hatred towards believers... then its getting a little more extreme. Not saying he did, saying IF he did. You do not take a culture of hatred towards people and not expand upon it. The only reason we have seen a lack of atheist killings is because atheism as a cultural trend is very, very new. As that culture expands, it will attract just as many crazies as any other religion.

If you want to get right down to it, no religion fosters actual murders, its crazies that kill and use religion as an excuse.

He could've shot them because he felt threatened by Islam, not because they believed in god.

[Gumboy]

He is anti-muslim or anti-islam not pro-lack of belief in a god.

So, the fact that he is an atheist, and posts about such (if that is his real facebook page, its gone now) it had no bearing on him killing religious people?

[IKT]

He could've shot them because he felt threatened by Islam, not because they believed in god.

It's so good to see at least 1 person who gets it.

So, the fact that he is an atheist, and posts about such (if that is his real facebook page, its gone now) it had no bearing on him killing religious people?

He didn't kill them because he's an atheist, he killed them because ""When it comes to insults, your religion started this, not me.", he hated and/or felt threatened by islam.

[Deleted]

here's a thought.... a general rule kinda thing..

The moment you ramble on about religion, you are no longer atheist.... You're religiously motivated...
A true atheist doesn't give a fuck at all. He/she totally ignores the subject.

There is no difference whether someone rambles on with the motif of believe or disbelief..
Both just come from a different angle. The result is however exactly the same..


"Thy shall keep thy theism to thyself"

Atheism simply means not believing in god. You don't get to tell people what atheism means.

[Daez]

It is a violent religion, based on killings their god approved of in His name. All those things you pointed out are easily applicable to the Muslim religion, by the way, outside of Oklahoma.

It was never my point that it was not applicable to religion as a whole. If you want to talk about violent religions... read the damn book of mythology...all Judeo religions are violent, and Islam is a Judeo religion. The "old testament" was a very messed up book.

[Gumboy]

He could've shot them because he felt threatened by Islam, not because they believed in god.

And my last post asks this question as well. Why is being anti-muslim while being an atheist, not the same as being anti-muslim while being any religion? Does it truly have no bearing? Or do you just not want to claim him as an atheist because he did something horrific?

[Deleted]

So, the fact that he is an atheist, and posts about such (if that is his real facebook page, its gone now) it had no bearing on him killing religious people?

Solely atheism? No, if he was antireligion or antitheist that would be why. Not just because he's an atheist.

[Deleted]

So, the fact that he is an atheist, and posts about such (if that is his real facebook page, its gone now) it had no bearing on him killing religious people?

He was most likely not motivated by his lack of belief in god to shoot these muslims. I don't see any indication of that. Unless you see a statement that says that he wants to get rid of all believers. He specifically went after muslims. No christians, no buddhists, no jews.

[Deleted]

Solely atheism? No, if he was antireligion or antitheist that would be why. Not just because he's an atheist.

He was not against all religion so anti theist kinda fails far too broad of a brush.

[JainaIsAMan]

It was never my point that it was not applicable to religion as a whole. If you want to talk about violent religions... read the damn book of mythology...all Judeo religions are violent, and Islam is a Judeo religion. The "old testament" was a very messed up book.

Then why even bring it up? This was about the Muslim religion, not Christianity. When someone says, "The Muslim religion actually has violence in its book and is founded upon it," there's no reason to respond with, "Yeah, well the Christian religion is too!" That's going off-topic and serves no actual purpose to the discussion.

[Deleted]

And my last post asks this question as well. Why is being anti-muslim while being an atheist, not the same as being anti-muslim while being any religion? Does it truly have no bearing? Or do you just not want to claim him as an atheist because he did something horrific?

I never said he's not an atheist.

[Wildtree]

It is a violent religion, based on killings their god approved of in His name. All those things you pointed out are easily applicable to the Muslim religion, by the way, outside of Oklahoma.

You invoking the times of the crusades..... And then you reason like this?

How you like that one then?

144:1 A Psalm of David.
Blessed be the LORD my Rock, who traineth my hands for war, and my fingers for battle;

The bible is filled with the exact same bullshit.......
You said you're not an expert in theology. Fine.... But get at least the damn basics right.

Torah, Qur'an and Bible all referring to the exact same God. They are all three Abrahamic religions, and the content of those three books is nearly identical.

And btw. the first Crusade wasn't a result of the spread of Islam. It took place nearly 300 years later, and was initially meant to be a spiritual event, but turned quickly into damn fucking plundering and pillaging war mission.

[s_bushido]

Hitler was not a ateist.

Not the point. People talk about "extreme atheism" but assuming the facebook post is true, this is the first time I can remember someone actually killing because they were so anti-theist. The exception being, of course, when the religious try to pin the crimes of dictators on atheism (presumably because they're tired of having crap like the Crusades and Inquisition and witch-trials pointed out to them).

[Daez]

He could've shot them because he felt threatened by Islam, not because they believed in god.

He could have shot them because he had to much to drink that day... we seriously have no clue what the motive is, but at this point is just as feasible to believe he was an extreme atheist as it is to believe that he was simply Islam-phobic. Ask yourself why you feel it so important to believe that it is impossible to be atheist extremist. An extremist is an extremist, they use whatever they can to justify their beliefs (extremism as a belief of its own).

[Sledfang]

So this guy is an anti-theist? What a table turner.