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    Question How can I improve as Holy Priest? Logs provided

    Hey guys!

    I am comparing two logs from Kromog HC kill - myself and a guy called Daîmon.

    Myself:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Lesheer/simple

    Armory:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...ling&source=10

    Daîmon:
    https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...aling&source=2

    Armory:
    http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...AEmon/advanced

    Raid size and fight duration were about the same, and we play with almost the same talents and healing strategy.
    His HPS is 59K, mine is 43K.

    Can you help me understand why he is doing so much more throughput than me?

    Analyzing the logs and Armory the only explanation I find is that he has much more Multistrike and Haste than I do - meaning he will be able to cast more spells and also heal more per spell.

    Is that the only reason for the difference in throughput, or do you see anything else?

    Where can I improve?

    Thanks for any input!

    ...and btw, I know HPS isn't everything, but I would like to understand how he manages to get such numbers
    Last edited by Volari; 2015-02-16 at 08:17 PM.
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    Neither of you are using Solace. Why?

    You used 24 Flash Heals, but only 2 PoH's and 0 Heal. That's 20 stacks of Serendipity wasted.

    You've also got much less Renew casts.

    But tbh, you're comparing two different raid groups. That alone can cause a huge disparity between healing numbers, even if the healers are equally skilled and geared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anon5123 View Post
    Neither of you are using Solace. Why?

    You used 24 Flash Heals, but only 2 PoH's and 0 Heal. That's 20 stacks of Serendipity wasted.

    You've also got much less Renew casts.

    But tbh, you're comparing two different raid groups. That alone can cause a huge disparity between healing numbers, even if the healers are equally skilled and geared.
    Thanks for replying!

    On Kromog I find Prayer of Healing unreliable since people are spread out quite a lot.

    I cast Flash Heals whenever they are free - so that accounts for some of the fewer Renews.

    I don't use Solace because I don't have mana trouble and I prefer instant, free Flash Heals from Surge of Light. I believe that gives more throughput.
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    Still, not using Heal or PoH is wasting those 20 Serendipity stacks.

    Also, your "armory" link is just a copy of the warcraftlogs link.

    Looking at the other healer, yes, his group ran 3 healers, while your group had 4. Running less healers makes your HPS look higher.

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    Considering you're comparing a 4heal log to a 3heal log, you're not doing too bad compared to him. Having one less healer will basicly make renew overheal less and Twist of Fate have higher uptime. He had over 60% uptime on Twist of Fate while you had 20%.

    CoH usage seems to be a bit on the low side compared to him, may be because he could use it on CD without wasting overhealing while you couldn't?

    Did you end up spending your mana, did you use a mana pot? I found time for a channeled pot while I was stuck in the hands and healing required was minimal. Just remember to use it after you get grabbed, since it will cancel your cancel if you do it prior.
    Daimon was using Mindbender, which gave him 80k more mana to work with, which is about 1.5m healing for him with the 33 extra renews he got. That was a tiny bit more than you got from your SoL procs. We should count the serendipity stacks gained from the procs, but since you didn't use them, you lost a lot of the value from the talent. I wouldn't say that you should opt for Mindbender over SoL, but I would strongly consider Solace to be the most viable option here, especially with 4pc since it "devalues" the serendipity stacks you get from the Flash Heals. And with the 4th healer, I wouldnt say you wouldnt be able to fit the GCDs to cast Solace on CD.
    (Advanced logging wasn't on, and I don't know if there's another way to easily check mana without the resource tab )

    That's what I could find, apart from stuff that anon already listed, Im far from an expert at WCL and HPriests, so I'm sure theres something I've done wrong or missed :<
    Last edited by Eip; 2015-02-16 at 07:18 PM.

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    He casts more renews in a shorter fight than you, even taking in to account 24 gcds spent on flash heals. He's also casting more CoHs. He also got to cast 2 lightwells. As others said, it's probably because they are 3 healing, so his overall overheal is two or sometimes 3 times smaller. Also they do not have the ultimate bane of HoT classes in the raid - the dreaded monk healer.

    But overall, you are not doing anything incorrectly, he just plays better in terms of small optimization. Oh, and his stats are way better, that extra 5% MS shoves your crit clean out of the water.
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    Quote Originally Posted by anon5123 View Post
    Still, not using Heal or PoH is wasting those 20 Serendipity stacks.

    Also, your "armory" link is just a copy of the warcraftlogs link.

    Looking at the other healer, yes, his group ran 3 healers, while your group had 4. Running less healers makes your HPS look higher.
    Thanks, I'll look into using more Prayer of Healing or Heal to take advantage of Serendipity.

    Armory link fixed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eip View Post
    Considering you're comparing a 4heal log to a 3heal log, you're not doing too bad compared to him. Having one less healer will basicly make renew overheal less and Twist of Fate have higher uptime. He had over 60% uptime on Twist of Fate while you had 20%.
    Well spotted - that explains a lot!

    CoH usage seems to be a bit on the low side compared to him, may be because he could use it on CD without wasting overhealing while you couldn't?
    I try to use CoH every chance I get - if it's not used it is because I didn't need it.

    Did you end up spending your mana, did you use a mana pot? I found time for a channeled pot while I was stuck in the hands and healing required was minimal. Just remember to use it after you get grabbed, since it will cancel your cancel if you do it prior.
    I might have used a mana pot, but I didn't struggle for mana - being 4 healers instead of one explains a lot of the difference. I could have put out more healing if there was need.

    Daimon was using Mindbender, which gave him 80k more mana to work with, which is about 1.5m healing for him with the 33 extra renews he got. That was a tiny bit more than you got from your SoL procs. We should count the serendipity stacks gained from the procs, but since you didn't use them, you lost a lot of the value from the talent. I wouldn't say that you should opt for Mindbender over SoL, but I would strongly consider Solace to be the most viable option here, especially with 4pc since it "devalues" the serendipity stacks you get from the Flash Heals. And with the 4th healer, I wouldnt say you wouldnt be able to fit the GCDs to cast Solace on CD.
    (Advanced logging wasn't on, and I don't know if there's another way to easily check mana without the resource tab )
    Hmm, how do I turn on Advanced logging? I thought it was on by default.

    That's what I could find, apart from stuff that anon already listed, Im far from an expert at WCL and HPriests, so I'm sure theres something I've done wrong or missed :<
    Thanks for the input! Very informative. I just switched to Holy and am still trying to decide what I prefer - Chakra for more Circle of Healing or more refresh of Renew. So far my conclusion is that it's situational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by myhv View Post
    He casts more renews in a shorter fight then you, even taking in to account 24 gcds spent on flash heals. He's also casting more CoHs. He also got to cast 2 lightwells. As others said, it's probably because they are 3 healing, so his overall overheal is two or sometimes 3 times smaller. Also they do not have the ultimate bane of HoT classes in the raid - the dreaded monk healer.

    But overall, you are not doing anything incorrectly, he just plays better in terms of small optimization. Oh, and his stats are way better, that extra 5% MS slows your crit clean out of the water.
    Thanks, mate - its good to know I am on track. Been playing Disc for a long while now so a bit rusty on the Holy side.
    That is why my gear is a bit high on Mastery.

    I'll focus on getting more MS gear and also the tier pieces. Need better trinkets too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volari View Post
    Hmm, how do I turn on Advanced logging? I thought it was on by default.
    System options on WoW -> Network -> and then Advanced Combat Logging! \o/

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    Quote Originally Posted by myhv View Post
    He casts more renews in a shorter fight then you, even taking in to account 24 gcds spent on flash heals.
    OP is hard casting PoM (which is right), the other is not. I think that accounts for quite a bit of the difference in Renew casts.

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