Danish Muslims Mourn the Death of the Copenhagen Terrorist

[Bakis]

All this talk of tolerance will go down real well with the 'religion of peace' once they overrun your country, after all they are just as tolerant to everyone who tolerates their cult.

Oh but ISIL members aren't muslims after all they don't read the quran, they don't say thing about allah.

We fought to take back the territories of modern day Portugal and Spain from these animals, God forbid they come under their rule again

Cut back on the paranoia it is not healthy.

Also:

Who do you think is doing most of the fighting and dying to stop ISIL?

Sure as hell aint some westerners.

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So fight crazy with more crazy? I can't possibly see how that'll work on any medium- to longterm issue, explain.

Nop with justice, as in a fair trial, conviction and setence. Ofc if we are talking about a terrorist attack then the apprehension of the suspect goes down below on the priority list, after hostage rescue and order implemented, so if killing the suspect presents a better option, that's the one that should be taken!

Still amazed we are in 2015 barely any linked systems between countries for background checks and tracking invidual history. If it was to me, I would just impose it as mandatory if you want to enter any country by mass transit options: airpots, busse, trains and on side (the city you move or visit) if it's by car.

Instead of having gouvernement tracking us online, filtering everything, but barely knowing if we have a legal background of crimes...

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Still amazed we are in 2015 barely any linked systems between countries for background checks and tracking invidual history. If it was to me, I would just impose it as mandatory if you want to enter any country by mass transit options: airpots, busse, trains and on side (the city you move or visit) if it's by car.

Instead of having gouvernement tracking us online, filtering everything, but barely knowing if we have a legal background of crimes...

So you said backgroundchecks and individual history of travelling individuals should be conducted and that it should be mandatory and then you follow up by saying the government shouldn't be tracking us online (because they might see your porn history or something?)

Who's going to do the mandatory tracking of each individual? Not the government, they aren't allowed to infringe on your freedom of private interwebpronbrowsing, so I can't imagine you would trust them with tracking your travel routes.

Then we get to the point that we have to ask who would even be able to collect and analyse said data (suprise, its a huge unworkable amount of data).

So basicly, you want some body of authority to collect and check each and every individuals move, motive and deeds, but it can't be the government, obviously it also can't be a private institution, for private reasons and the simply reason that nobody can keep track of such vasts amount of data...

So that leaves us with you basicly wanting GOD to keep us from evildoing?

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So you said backgroundchecks and individual history of travelling individuals should be conducted and that it should be mandatory and then you follow up by saying the government shouldn't be tracking us online (because they might see your porn history or something?)

Who's going to do the mandatory tracking of each individual? Not the government, they aren't allowed to infringe on your freedom of private interwebpronbrowsing, so I can't imagine you would trust them with tracking your travel routes.

Then we get to the point that we have to ask who would even be able to collect and analyse said data (suprise, its a huge unworkable amount of data).

So basicly, you want some body of authority to collect and check each and every individuals move, motive and deeds, but it can't be the government, obviously it also can't be a private institution, for private reasons and the simply reason that nobody can keep track of such vasts amount of data...

So that leaves us with you basicly wanting GOD to keep us from evildoing?

Simple way with biometric passports and or cip as well that tracks all your vital info as in criminal records and or agency/law enforcer notes (let's say if you are a know extremist of any kind).

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Simple way with biometric passports and or cip as well that tracks all your vital info as in criminal records and or agency/law enforcer notes (let's say if you are a know extremist of any kind).

You stated that you don't want the (American) government to check and control your browsing on the internet, but you are ok with them planting a chip in you so they can track your every move day and night?

1. Such chips don't exist and are unfeasible, unhumane and untoughtfull to implement.
2. Your idea contains logical loopholes that bend the fabric of reality, is going to divide by zero and NewYork will be attacked by dragons.

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I don't find separating culture and religion to be particularly fruitful or meritorious.

All religion is culture, but not all culture is religious.
It is harder to change religious culture than other kinds of culture.

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"Ordinary Danish people"? Do you refer to those putting down flowers for HIS VICTIMS? Because those weren't the ones I meant by any measures. The shock those people felt is understandable and so is the mourning for his victims. The people laying down flowers specifically for him on the other hand absolutely aren't. Anyone putting down flowers for him or attending his funeral who isn't part of his direct family/friendship circle does so solely for the reason of supporting his actions.

For the second part of your post, absolutely not. He died a terrorist and murderer. That is who he was when he died, not what someone might've known before. The way you argue you could excuse pretty much anyones actions and the people supporting them. Remember Ted Bundy? Shouldn't we remember him as the poor lost soul and as the innocent child he was at some point instead of the viscious mass murderer? Oh wait, no we shouldn't.

Here is a danish article about the flowers. It's called "Flowers for a murderer" in english, put it in translate or something. There you will see everything I have written in my last posts.
http://politiken.dk/magasinet/featur...til-en-morder/

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"Ordinary Danish people"? Do you refer to those putting down flowers for HIS VICTIMS? Because those weren't the ones I meant by any measures. The shock those people felt is understandable and so is the mourning for his victims. The people laying down flowers specifically for him on the other hand absolutely aren't. Anyone putting down flowers for him or attending his funeral who isn't part of his direct family/friendship circle does so solely for the reason of supporting his actions.

For the second part of your post, absolutely not. He died a terrorist and murderer. That is who he was when he died, not what someone might've known before. The way you argue you could excuse pretty much anyones actions and the people supporting them. Remember Ted Bundy? Shouldn't we remember him as the poor lost soul and as the innocent child he was at some point instead of the viscious mass murderer? Oh wait, no we shouldn't.

You should know that it's a muslim's religious duty to, no matter if he's a criminal or a saint, attend the funeral of any muslim. Many people came and mourned him not to honor his actions, but to grieve that one of God's children, however misguided, had died.

And for your second part. You can condemn someone's actions without condemning them. Ted Bundy's actions were horrible and the lives he ruined, both his victims and the people that had them dear, were a tragedy. He wasn't, however, his actions. Inside him, at some point in his life, something happened that he lost the innocence that all human beings wish for. Be it mental illness or whatever it was. Something ruined his mind, and as a result, he ruined lives. I'm not excusing his actions. His actions warranted the retribution that he got. But to preach peace and understanding means to be peaceful and understanding to all people, not just the ones you like. A life lost is a life lost, and when you die, your actions die with you. There's only death left. And death, to a peaceful person who craves peace, is always a tragedy.

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You stated that you don't want the (American) government to check and control your browsing on the internet, but you are ok with them planting a chip in you so they can track your every move day and night?

1. Such chips don't exist and are unfeasible, unhumane and untoughtfull to implement.
2. Your idea contains logical loopholes that bend the fabric of reality, is going to divide by zero and NewYork will be attacked by dragons.

The data stored is in regards to me, all my info that the gouverment already has or has it strored but I don't know. Used only to be shared once I enter a new country.

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You should know that it's a muslim's religious duty to, no matter if he's a criminal or a saint, attend the funeral of any muslim. Many people came and mourned him not to honor his actions, but to grieve that one of God's children, however misguided, had died.

Seeing how there's around 1,5 billion Muslims, damn they must be constantly busy attending all kind of funerals. How do they manage to find the time and how come only about 500-1000 attended his funerals. Didn't the others break their religious obligation? And why don't that many attend a funeral of someone who hasn't gotten as prominent through acts of terror? Questions over questions!

But to preach peace and understanding means to be peaceful and understanding to all people, not just the ones you like. A life lost is a life lost, and when you die, your actions die with you. There's only death left. And death, to a peaceful person who craves peace, is always a tragedy.

Just to begin with, we're not talking about peaceful people here. Neither the guy who commited these murders nor Ted Bundy were. Also I'm not preaching peace and understanding, I really wish we could get along but I'm a realist and thus if you don't accept my opinions, world view and freedom and my right to have them I don't see how I should extend that courtesy towards you when it's not mutual.

And no, the actions of a person don't die with them. As the ripples they caused remain. The victims and their families still suffer, the people they've murdered don't come back to live and their deeds aren't undone. What they've done keeps echoing for a long time to come. So dying doesn't suddenly absolve you of the atrocities and crimes you've inflicted upon others.