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What was the purpose of this? To troll him? If so, good riddance.
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So.....someone just wants to play without being watched constantly on stream, someone sets it up so that he is FORCED to, and the people harassing him are the good guys in this? O.o
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You realize it is not your right to decide who streams, or wants to stream, right?
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Seriously? this is blatant harassment..
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Um...a lot of people don't play video games to be watched constantly.
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So your beef is with who here? Riot?
If someone is benefitting from someone elses gameplay and are asked to stop, its pretty damn rude to not stop.
Is this person a very good player? Perhaps they don't want the entire streaming world to see them play all the time as they practice for more important matches.
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"He does not benefit in any way" -except for getting ill gotten fame from it for nothing
So basically, you are for group stalking someone playing a video game. If there is a way to spectate in game, use that. Don't let someone else get "Famous" for streaming SOMEONE ELSES PLAY.
I don't understand how you don't understand that isn't cool.
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"Personally, it’s pretty clear that I should have handled communications around this better. My intent was to jump to the defense of a player (Faker) who was being singled out and streamed against his will. "
how is that a scum thing to say? He is defending someones right to NOT be stalked essentially in a way he does not approve.
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"Faker was uncomfortable about his name and gameplay being streamed without his consent, and that they believed it had a negative impact to the value and stability of his streaming offering ."
Pretty much all you need to know. It was without his consent, in a way he did NOT lend his name to. Riot does not like it, the player does not like it, the streaming service that he has a contract with does not like it.
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Yes, because I am quoting him. That is what the "" mean.
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I don't really give two shits about "Tryndamere". At all. However, he has a very legit point.
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"Systematically streaming spectator mode of each of Faker’s games (rather than a few sporadically) on a rival platform understandably lessens the value of his partnership with Azubu and even more importantly, the potential of pros to gain equally lucrative streaming partnerships in the future. In a very real and material sense, the SpectateFaker stream causes Faker harm in his own judgment - and we believe he should have the right to see it discontinued."
TL;DR: the person streaming *HIS* games without his permission were fucking him over, and anyone in the future that would sign a streaming contract.
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Riot is saying they don't want it to happen. Guess what? It *IS* their game!
"We will intervene and shut down streams where we perceive that it’s causing harm to individual players. This will usually result from the individual player requesting the takedown (although it isn’t always dependent on it), so we’ll also make it easy for streamers to contact us with those kind of requests and look into them on a case by case basis. Although the SpectateFaker case was the genesis - and will be the first case where this policy will apply - it isn’t specifically targeted to him, any pros or even pro players exclusively. If you believe you are being targeted for harassment by someone streaming your spectator games, please file a ticket with Riot player support."
So, doing an extremely scumbaggy thing (Streaming someone elses games without permission) is now going to be targetted by Riot, all because one asshole kept doing it after they asked him to stop.
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Do you actually have a reason that it's wrong beyond your emotions? Because I'm not seeing any. "I feel it's a scumbaggy thing cause now everyone knows his name" no one knows his name. I've been aware of it for ages, I have no idea who did it and I don't care. There was no chance of someone miscontributing fakers gameplay to him. He wasn't making a profit, he wasn't gaining notoriety, he was providing a service that was available to anyone to those without technical knowhow.
Quoting the reason they gave isn't an argument. The material harm they speak of is azubus perceived loss of ad revenue which in reality was nonexistant."With regards to the SpectateFaker stream case, we believe strongly that the potential material harm caused to the player is real - as such, we’ll be honoring Faker’s request and pursuing a takedown of the stream."
And here is the fundamental misunderstanding of the situation. We're saying it's a shitty thing to do, not that they had no legal right to do so. For some reason you and hundreds of other people on mmo-champion have this notion that anything that's legal is automatically right and not subject to criticism. I can't even begin to understand why you draw this. But it is not true. We're saying the cease and desist was shitty, the logic was flawed, and the alternatives poor. And they are. Parroting that it was legally admissable does not excuse this and it puts tryndamere in a poor light when the rest of riot seemingly tries so damn hard to talk in a way that doesn't dismiss facts to portray and extremist view of a situation.Riot is saying they don't want it to happen. Guess what? It *IS* their game!
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"With regards to the SpectateFaker stream case, we believe strongly that the potential material harm caused to the player is real - as such, we’ll be honoring Faker’s request and pursuing a takedown of the stream."
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How is it not a scum thing to do, to stream SOMEONE ELSES SKILL, against their wishes, and against the company that owns the games wishes?
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The guy even admits that he spoke to soon/forcefully without full knowledge, and apologized for it: HOWEVER, Riot is 100% in the right stopping someone from streaming someone elses gameplay without permission, period.
"Although I disagreed with StarLordLucian’s actions, they were born out of good intent. By making things personal and adversarial, and accusing him of ‘estalking’ Faker, my comments didn’t appropriately reflect his original intentions, which was to showcase Faker on Twitch.
I moved too quickly to comment in a situation where I didn’t have the full context. I made an error by originally assuming that StarLordLucian was rebroadcasting direct streams; in fact he was streaming spectated games in an automated fashion. Basic factual mistakes like this blurred the message I was hoping to get across - that our primary goal was to protect players who felt they were being harmed by being systematically streamed against their will.
Players were calling for an overall comment on the issue and the legal precedent it created (like this one), rather than a laser focus on the isolated StreamFaker case. By focusing solely on this case, I obscured some of the bigger issues at stake that we are hopefully now clarifying"
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Did he sign a contract with the other streaming service? Yes? Then it was for his benefit as well.
I don't think you realize that Riot is fully against this as well. If you don't like their decision, their really is nothing you can do about it. And it was the right decision.
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I don't understand what the difference between being able to spectate Faker IN GAME and on Twitch is? I highly doubt Faker gives a shit, and Azubu is making him say all that so they don't lose even more viewers from their shitty ass site
Coming from me that means nothing? what about the official riot statement? O.o
They specifically said they would not tolerate people streaming other peoples play on streams against their wishes in their statement.
Which shouldn't even have to be said, because any decent person would stop it as soon as the person asked them to.
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This statement you made right here explains everything. You realize that he has a contract, right? So in helping the "Corporate" interest as you so boldly claim, he IS helping the player.
"Faker's stream sucks because he doesen't put any effort in it."? Ok....so maybe he just does not like to fucking stream? That does not give YOU, or ANYONE the right to stream his gameplay on a competing service, period.
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"Makes my side look righteous" yeah, because I have to work really hard at that when one side is completely ignoring the wishes of the player that is actually playing the game!
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And...how do you know it didn't effect the views, and thus income, of a stream? Do you know what advertisements are?
You are seriously arguing from an extremely untenable moral position. The right thing to do is NOT stream someones gameplay against their wishes.
If you want to watch him play, do it with the spectator mode, or his own stream. Why do you think its ok to do something directly against someone, his contract, the people that make the game, and his teams wishes?
You're a towel.