Has Tyrande ever made any important decisions?

[Deleted]

Elune's involvement is just NElf mythology (she's not even the only full god in it). It's directly stated the cosmic power of the Well is what changed the NElves and made them immortal.

In time, a primitive tribe of nocturnal humanoids were drawn by the Well's strange energies and built crude homes upon its tranquil shores. Over time, the Well's cosmic power affected the tribe, making them strong, wise, and immortal. Their skin turned various shades of violet, and they grew taller in stature. The tribe adopted the name kaldorei, which meant "children of the stars" in their native tongue. (WC Encyclopedia)

She is actually the only full god in it, others are demi-gods.
And that quote does not disprove night elves being made by Elune, you ignored the next part:
"They believed that their moon goddess, Elune, slept within the Well’s shimmering depths during the daylight hours"
Now, this was of course, their belief. Except that keepers and dryads are half-Elune and they look like night elves. So, the only conclusion is that Elune, while not sleeping in the Well (this is of course nonsense, the moon circled the planet), she used the power of the well to morph dark trolls into night elves, she used it to make them look like her.

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On several occasions after the Sunwell's defilement, Kael'thas publicly asserted that his people would die unless they found a new source of magic. There can be no doubt that withdrawal from prolonged exposure to arcane magic is a very unpleasant process: to this day it is not impossible that a high elf might choose to give in to the addiction and become one of the blood elves. Technically, though, the prince was mistaken. According to the top priests and medics on Azeroth, the only high elves who perished due to the Sunwell's loss were the very old, the very young, and elves who were already in poor health.

This is not to say, however, that withdrawal from magic would leave the blood elves unharmed. On the contrary, permanent mental or physical damage is possible. (WC Encyclopedia)

Also, they don't turn into wretched from withdrawal. Wretched are what happens when they consume too much, to the point of deformity.

Ok, you're right there, I give you that. I didn't know of that quote.

[Combatbutler]

As for night elves, I don't know what rash decisions. The only decision I know was to plant Teldrassil. Since the Archdruid Fandral assured everyone it was a good move and the other world tree had already supplied them with immortality, resistance to disease etc, why would the night elves not want it? Nobody knew it was corrupted, not even Malfurion, he simply didn't want it planted because he thought immortality had made night elves arrogant and out of touch with the world.
Plus, planting the new tree might seem like a rash decision to you, now think in night elf terms (I don't know of all the diseases in Azeroth, so let's use real life examples). A few get a cold, sure, it's not that bad, someone dies due to a heart attack - this is kind of bad, some get some stomach ackes, a few vomit blood, some dies... OH NO, does that mean all who get stomach ackes are going to die?! Nobody knows, night elves never dealt with this. Infected bladder, phneumonia, etc. Jarod Shadowsong brought his mate coughing blood to Tyrande as she was dieing (and she did).
Now imagine being a commoner and everything is fine then suddenly people start getting sick, they cough blood, can't move, die... it would seem like the apocalypse to you!

Planting the tree in the hopes of restoring their immortality, was quite pointless since on its own it is nothing but a giant tree. Fandral should have known that, world trees themselves never had that kind of power, almost all of their powers derive from outside sources, the blessings of the aspects and/or the power from the well of eternity. Just a few years had passed and the Night elves immediately tried something, they should have known wouldn't work to restore immortality, instead of studying the matter further they did the first thing that came to mind, just lets plant another tree.

[Dendraki]

People seem to forget that these characters dont "make" any decisions. Its all blizzards decision on who does what.

Taking that into account and the way the game is going and has been going for a while no one apart from Varian or Thrall are gonna make any decisions.

The last time Tyrande made any meaningful decisions was back in warcraft 3. Then again that focused on multiple storylines and all faction leaders make decisions in their story that had an impact. Tyrandes biggest one was most likely freeing Illidan

[Aquamonkey]

She is actually the only full god in it, others are demi-gods.

No. There are other actual gods (in addition to the demigods).

Here, in intricate mosaic work, the formation of the world by Elune and the other gods was depicted, the Mother Moon of course illustrated most dominantly. With few exceptions, the gods were vague forms with shadowed faces, no mere flesh creature worthy of envisioning their true images. Only the demigods, children and assistants to their superiors, had definite visages.
--The Well of Eternity

And that quote does not disprove night elves being made by Elune, you ignored the next part:
"They believed that their moon goddess, Elune, slept within the Well’s shimmering depths during the daylight hours"
Now, this was of course, their belief. Except that keepers and dryads are half-Elune and they look like night elves. So, the only conclusion is that Elune, while not sleeping in the Well (this is of course nonsense, the moon circled the planet), she used the power of the well to morph dark trolls into night elves, she used it to make them look like her.

Their transformation wasn't instant, it was gradual. Once they were fully formed as NElves did the tribe adopted the name kaldorei. It is the kaldorei who worshipped Elune.

It states that they were transformed by the Well, which was crafted by the titans. Azeroth's deities and Ancients came from Azeroth itself and had nothing to do with the titans. Transforming life forms was the reason the titans made the Well in the first place.

The keepers and dryads are children of Cenarius. Elune has never made a physical appearance and is fundamentally incorporeal. The depictions of her are just NElf fantasies.

Elune has never been observed in physical form on Azeroth. Indeed, she is as much a collection of ideals as she is a personality in her own right. A powerful and spiritual deity, she is fundamentally an incorporeal being. Nevertheless, she is often depicted as a beautiful night elf woman crowned with a simple platinum circlet and surrounded by dazzling luminescence. Artists also traditionally portray her with long, white hair, alabaster skin, and eyes of pure moonlight. (WC Encyclopedia)

As for why they resemble NElves... maybe that's just the "natural" end result of empowering those types of proto-races. Like that's the ultimate humanoid form of Azeroth DNA. Even the advanced Zandalari stand upright and look like an evolutionary midpoint between trolls and NElves.

[Mormolyce]

I don't get the Elune obsession.

Elune is a mythological being. She may not even have a real physical existence. If she does, it's likely she's a Naaru.

I was thinking about this, and it seems like even though she was the leader of the night elves (now the co-leader) she never made any big decision.

Did you play WC3? She's responsible for the failure of the Legion's invasion of Azeroth and the death of Archimonde.

[Wildmoon]

Elune is a mythological being. She may not even have a real physical existence. If she does, it's likely she's a Naaru.

Too many evidences pointing out that she is not. Having a child,a mate,accepting offerings,etc.

[Deleted]

No. There are other actual gods (in addition to the demigods).

Here, in intricate mosaic work, the formation of the world by Elune and the other gods was depicted, the Mother Moon of course illustrated most dominantly. With few exceptions, the gods were vague forms with shadowed faces, no mere flesh creature worthy of envisioning their true images. Only the demigods, children and assistants to their superiors, had definite visages.
--The Well of Eternity

What Well of Eternity? The book War of the Ancients?

Their transformation wasn't instant, it was gradual. Once they were fully formed as NElves did the tribe adopted the name kaldorei. It is the kaldorei who worshipped Elune.

It states that they were transformed by the Well, which was crafted by the titans. Azeroth's deities and Ancients came from Azeroth itself and had nothing to do with the titans. Transforming life forms was the reason the titans made the Well in the first place.

You say their transition was gradual. I say it was almost instant, like the transition between a blood/high elf and a wretched. They stood there and one day they started transforming directly as Elune had taken an interest in them.
Now here's the deal, I can't prove I'm right, but neither can you, for it just says the waters of the Well altered them, it doesn't say it did it in 1 month or 1000 years.

The keepers and dryads are children of Cenarius. Elune has never made a physical appearance and is fundamentally incorporeal. The depictions of her are just NElf fantasies.

Elune has never been observed in physical form on Azeroth. Indeed, she is as much a collection of ideals as she is a personality in her own right. A powerful and spiritual deity, she is fundamentally an incorporeal being. Nevertheless, she is often depicted as a beautiful night elf woman crowned with a simple platinum circlet and surrounded by dazzling luminescence. Artists also traditionally portray her with long, white hair, alabaster skin, and eyes of pure moonlight. (WC Encyclopedia)

As for why they resemble NElves... maybe that's just the "natural" end result of empowering those types of proto-races. Like that's the ultimate humanoid form of Azeroth DNA. Even the advanced Zandalari stand upright and look like an evolutionary midpoint between trolls and NElves.

Again, if her depictions are night elf fantasies, how come Cenarius has a night elf body? It's because Elune is his mother. And she doesn't need to have had a physical form to mate with a demi-god.

And by the way, your theory of night elves being the most advanced humanoid misses 2 things:
-night elves evolved further, and high elves appeared, so that would make high elves the ultimate humanoid, so the Zaldalari trolls should have been closer to them if they evolved
-Cenarius and his children don't look similar to night elves, they look EXACTLY like night elves(well, half of them). While the Zandalari look similar in the fact that they have a straight posture, they still have tusks, low intelligence, 3 fingers and 3 toes and fur on them. Night elves are closer to humans than Zandalari trolls in this regard.

[Aquamonkey]

What Well of Eternity? The book War of the Ancients?

Yes, the first book in that trilogy.

You say their transition was gradual. I say it was almost instant, like the transition between a blood/high elf and a wretched. They stood there and one day they started transforming directly as Elune had taken an interest in them.
Now here's the deal, I can't prove I'm right, but neither can you, for it just says the waters of the Well altered them, it doesn't say it did it in 1 month or 1000 years.

The WC Encyclopedia says, "Over time, the Well's cosmic power affected the tribe..."

Again, if her depictions are night elf fantasies, how come Cenarius has a night elf body? It's because Elune is his mother. And she doesn't need to have had a physical form to mate with a demi-god.

And by the way, your theory of night elves being the most advanced humanoid misses 2 things:
-night elves evolved further, and high elves appeared, so that would make high elves the ultimate humanoid, so the Zaldalari trolls should have been closer to them if they evolved
-Cenarius and his children don't look similar to night elves, they look EXACTLY like night elves(well, half of them). While the Zandalari look similar in the fact that they have a straight posture, they still have tusks, low intelligence, 3 fingers and 3 toes and fur on them. Night elves are closer to humans than Zandalari trolls in this regard.

Elune is incorporeal, despite this she is depicted as a NElf woman and a collection of ideals. The WC Encyclopedia straight up says this depiction is invented by the NElves.

And then the BElves turn in to wretched. That doesn't mean wretched is their "ultimate" form. HELves turned pink and shrunk when they were cut off from the Well of Eternity. They are a regression.

Gradually the exiled Highborne developed striking differences from the night elves. Cut off from the new Well of Eternity, they diminished in height, and their skin lost its characteristic violet hue. In addition, the elves lost their resistance to injury and illness, and they became mortal. (WC Encyclopedia)

Advanced Zandalari look like a step between trolls and NElves. NElves attained that form over time. That means the NElves themselves went through a transitional period when their physical bodies progressed through various intermediate forms between trolls and their final form as their were irradiated with power. Cenarius got a direct injection of power at conception. The Zandalari don't have access to anything close to the Well of Eternity and are stuck in a midpoint or are progressing slower.

[Mormolyce]

Too many evidences pointing out that she is not. Having a child,a mate,accepting offerings,etc.

No evidence that those things are not metaphorical either.

[Ishana]

She decided to free Brox, and convince the Stormrage bros to help

[Verdugo]

She decided to free Brox

Anyone notice the pattern of her releasing/waking up manly men so they can do her job?

[Wildberry]

Did you play WC3? She's responsible for the failure of the Legion's invasion of Azeroth and the death of Archimonde.

I think you misspelled "Malfurion." there, m8.

What did Tyrande do? Y'know aside from kill some of her own to free Illidan (So that he could go make a difference), and bitch about Medivh's proposed alliance with the Alliance and Horde (Prior to Hyjal).

If we're giving credit to those who were involved at Hyjal, she's at the bottom of the list.

[Arpin]

With few exceptions, the gods were vague forms with shadowed faces, no mere flesh creature worthy of envisioning their true images.

Not sure what that means, but sounds like the Loa to me.

While the Zandalari look similar in the fact that they have a straight posture, they still have tusks, low intelligence

Low intelligence? How so?

Even the advanced Zandalari stand upright and look like an evolutionary midpoint between trolls and NElves.

It's just the looks. Zandalari trolls were the trolls that other troll races evolved from.

[Deleted]

Not sure what that means, but sounds like the Loa to me.

There's another theory that they are actually the titans.

[Arpin]

There's another theory that they are actually the titans.

Could be, could be.

[Arrashi]

Anyone notice the pattern of her releasing/waking up manly men so they can do her job?

The only thing wrong here, is how unmanly those "manly" men are.

[Verdugo]

The only thing wrong here, is how unmanly those "manly" men are.

Its quite sad to see men with pecks that could hold entire northern hemisphere act like pussies.

[Wildmoon]

No evidence that those things are not metaphorical either.

Having read WotA trilogy, they don't seem to be. It was even detailed that Cenarius was her son and she had to give him up to Ysera because he was more of a creature of mortal realm.

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I think you misspelled "Malfurion." there, m8.

What did Tyrande do? Y'know aside from kill some of her own to free Illidan (So that he could go make a difference), and bitch about Medivh's proposed alliance with the Alliance and Horde (Prior to Hyjal).

If we're giving credit to those who were involved at Hyjal, she's at the bottom of the list.

She was problably at higher on the list at least higher than the orc and the human. She managed to buy time and woke up Malfurion who was the sole reason the legion was defeated.

[DemoBytom]

At least you know her name, and knew it since WoW launch..
Lor'the'who'the'fuck'youre'talkin'bout'mar still suffers from identity issues, and is best known as The One that performed first table flip in game (or was it bench flip actually?)

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Its quite sad to see men with pecks that could hold entire northern hemisphere act like pussies.

Night Elves were designed after Dark Elves of D&D, where females are the "strong" and "manly" ones, while men are more into magic and being submissive to their dominant mistresses.. They were, kinda, like that, back in W3, tbh..
First thing Grom noticed about them when they attack orcs in Ashenvale was that they are all female, and are as fierce, savage and dangerous as orcs are..

[Arrashi]

Night Elves were designed after Dark Elves of D&D, where females are the "strong" and "manly" ones, while men are more into magic and being submissive to their dominant mistresses.. They were, kinda, like that, back in W3, tbh..

Yeah, expect they really aren't similar in any way to dark elves. They are generic tree huggers painted purple. And even in frozen throne tyrande was damsel in distress hoping that malfurion and illidan will make up and double team her.

First thing Grom noticed about them when they attack orcs in Ashenvale was that they are all female, and are as fierce, savage and dangerous as orcs are..

And then he hit them with an axe and changed mind.