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    Arthas took an entire group of Arugal's worgen to Northrend. He also got Arugal to make more worgen in Northrend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post
    Gravewalker Gie works because the premise is that she was an adventurer like Mojo and Chen who fell to the Scourge during WCIII and may not have had a particularly remarkable DK career until recently. She may have been hidden or busy doing other things while all the big Azeroth events took place.
    Her career doesn't have to be unremarkable either. Apparently lieutenant Thorn was up to enough badassery during the Pandaria campaign to get her assigned to your garrison. She also lost an eye on Draenor between your arrival on the planet and the construction of your garrison.
    Just because the player doesn't get to see it doesn't mean it's unremarkable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lynneiah View Post
    She also lost an eye on Draenor between your arrival on the planet and the construction of your garrison.
    Where's it say that?

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by Hammerfest View Post
    Where's it say that?
    It's one of her direct quotes:

    The dangers of this land are not to be underestimated.
    <Thorn points to her eyepatch>
    I bear the mark of my naivety and own this mistake.
    At that point your garrison is already established, and since you're on Draenor, that's obviously what 'this land' refers to.

    Source

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    It makes sense that a very small number of Pandaren became DKs. The ones who were still hanging out on their island were safe, but a few of them liked to wander and explore. It's not unheard of that this one was particularly unlucky, happened to be in the wrong place at the wrong time, and got caught by the Scourge.

    There wouldn't be enough cases of that to justify playable Pandaren Death Knights, but there'd be enough for Pandaren Death Knights to exist.

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    Maybe it was one of the pandaren from Northrend. http://classic.battle.net/war3/neutral/pandaren.shtml

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by cenkiss View Post
    Probably some pandaren adventurer. I don't think lich king discriminated between races when making death knights. He took anyone powerful enough. We only see playable races because they are relevant to us. There may be ogre, gnoll, naga, vyrkul death knights etc. Think about any humanoid race in azeroth.
    The Lich King isn't the only person capable of making DKs - Gul'Dan learned how to make them in the First War, the first one he made was Teron Gorefiend. It's problematic to think a Pandaren was A. a Paladin in the Knights Of The Silver Hand, who are sent to their respective leaders for clemency after completing the starter zone, and B. roaming the Eastern Kingdoms when Pandaria was still hidden in the mists, with no contact with the outside world. No new DKs have been created since Arthas died, but Gul'Dan might be making them (They said at the Blizzcon Q&A Gorefiend would be showing up, which means the AU Gul'Dan makes him one), but they wouldn't be friendly to either faction.

    Or, this is just another muddled mess where making everything accessible to everyone kind of pisses all over the lore, and it is what it is. They wanted a DK follower, they made one. Doesn't fit the lore? Whatever, we have a Selfie Camera upgrade to design. Kind of like how DKs are fallen Paladins, but gnomes and night elves, who can't be Paladins, can be DKs. I remember that being discussed back in Wrath, and Blizzard didn't really answer anyone on it, I think Zarhym or Bashiok made one of their "cute" posts in answering it.

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    In the DK quest there are wagons with a lot of dead bodies, there could have been perfectly a couple of pandaren knowing that at that time (pre-wotlk event) the scourge attacked almost every part of Azeroth so some pandarem that were travellers and were wondering over who knows were could have been killed and raised at Archerus as Death Knights.

    What would have been wierd is that there were hundreds of death knight pandarem wich is not the case.

  9. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by Mormolyce View Post
    When did he even invade Kalimdor long enough to DK-ify all those races?

    It's just a lore excuse because they wanted everyone to be able to roll a DK.
    Well, for that, he sent a necropolis down to wipe out the Scarlet Crusade, at Tyr's Hand, and they also invaded during the pre-events as far as Kalimdor. It's flimsy, but it's there in the story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Easy, corpses were brought back by Varimithras after the defeat of Archimonde.

    Or they fell while trying to purify the Plaguelands. <---- this one makes even more sense.

    Finding corpses wasn't exactly a problem for Arthas. Just think how many died - and continue to die - trying to force the Scourge from Strathholme, their last sanctuary in the Eastern Kingdoms.

    As is our player DKs are FAR FAR FAR different from the WC3 DK.

    WC3 DKs were mostly paladins that forsook the light and found themselves corrupted in the face of such terrible and overwhelming evil. Yes, some were raised from the dead, but many just became corrupted and went mad. Think Captain Redtree from EPL.
    As far as I understand it, the PC DKs are the same Paladins and champions from WC3, our characters fought for Arthas then and were rewarded with becoming DKs, and were sent to Archon to destroy the Scarlet Crusade.

    DKs weren't just some random body, DK was a reward from Arthas for prowess and victory, and they became his elite forces. Well, that's what he told them,(us) anyway, they were actually a lure for Tirion, and that betrayal caused them(us) to break away from him, and our characters get sent to our respective leaders.

    That's where the numbers of DKs in the game, and the races who become them, and what they were in lore gets a little wonky, but it's just one of those things you suspend disbelief over. Adding Pandas to the mix is just more wonk.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by Shelly View Post
    Easy, corpses were brought back by Varimithras after the defeat of Archimonde.
    Varimathras never set foot on Kalimdor. At the start of the TFT Undead campaign, the Dreadlords in Lordaeron are completely oblivious of the Legion's defeat.

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by Gadzooks View Post
    The Lich King isn't the only person capable of making DKs - Gul'Dan learned how to make them in the First War, the first one he made was Teron Gorefiend. It's problematic to think a Pandaren was A. a Paladin in the Knights Of The Silver Hand, who are sent to their respective leaders for clemency after completing the starter zone, and B. roaming the Eastern Kingdoms when Pandaria was still hidden in the mists, with no contact with the outside world. No new DKs have been created since Arthas died, but Gul'Dan might be making them (They said at the Blizzcon Q&A Gorefiend would be showing up, which means the AU Gul'Dan makes him one), but they wouldn't be friendly to either faction.

    Or, this is just another muddled mess where making everything accessible to everyone kind of pisses all over the lore, and it is what it is. They wanted a DK follower, they made one. Doesn't fit the lore? Whatever, we have a Selfie Camera upgrade to design. Kind of like how DKs are fallen Paladins, but gnomes and night elves, who can't be Paladins, can be DKs. I remember that being discussed back in Wrath, and Blizzard didn't really answer anyone on it, I think Zarhym or Bashiok made one of their "cute" posts in answering it.
    Gorefiend has already shown up in game.... he's a boss in Auchindoun.

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by Gadzooks View Post
    As far as I understand it, the PC DKs are the same Paladins and champions from WC3, our characters fought for Arthas then and were rewarded with becoming DKs, and were sent to Archon to destroy the Scarlet Crusade.
    Not really. The PC DKs are people who died in the time span since WC3 to the tail end of BC. In particular, prospective adventurers who died in EPL (which used to be a Lv.55 leveling zone... you start at Lv.55... mind = blown).

    Yes, you as a DK specifically were a champion of the Light who died. The WC3 DKs were what you described, but the PCs are not that.
    Last edited by arcaneshot; 2015-03-30 at 02:26 AM.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by purebalance View Post
    Gorefiend has already shown up in game.... he's a boss in Auchindoun.
    I realize that, but he's not a DK...yet. And if he is, there's nothing in the game to explain that Gul'Dan has learned how to make them.

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