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    Implement a queing system for normal raids

    To help facilitate and foster the continued growth of raiding, blizzard should implement an auto queue system for people to join into normal difficulty raids. I look at raiding and the biggest barrier i see for people is, "why struggle trying to join/form a group for raiding? its such a headache, ill just stick to lfr."

    and they never move past that mentality, believing that lfr offers all the raiding experience they need.
    What blizz needs to do is make normal more accesible. Use an auto queue system to randomly group players together for normal difficulty encounters. Yes there will be MANY wipes, and people will be vote booted out due to poor performance.

    however, out of the ashes will rise a new breed of players, the ones who begin to see the light and realize the fun and value in grouping together and downing a moderately difficult encounter, and the rewards within. Yes most groups will fail, but some will suceed, grow, friendships made, and perhaps harder difficulties tackled.

    Allow players to queue for specific bosses ONLY, not wings, not the entire encounter at once. thoughts?
    Last edited by HappyLuckBox; 2015-03-23 at 04:10 PM.

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    Cataclysm heroics.

    It will never and should never happen.
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    The kind of people who will queue for normals instead of using the group finder are the ones that want zero personal responsibility and don't want to be held accountable for their performance. It will not go well.

    Content that requires coordination and personal responsibility does not go well with an auto queuing/group making system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vedni View Post
    The kind of people who will queue for normals instead of using the group finder are the ones that want zero personal responsibility and don't want to be held accountable for their performance. It will not go well.

    Content that requires coordination and personal responsibility does not go well with an auto queuing/group making system.

    True- but we are talking about normal difficulty, not heroic. Let them wipe , eventually groups will make it through.

    Kinda like the Lfr molten core anniversary event, at first it was a total shit show, but people finally started getting their act together. People have a way of overcoming adversity, blizz just needs to give them a chance. Inevitably, somebody in the raid steps up and raid leads, the truly bad/afk get vote kicked out/new players sub in/// eventually... inevitably the group will down the boss.
    Last edited by HappyLuckBox; 2015-03-23 at 04:24 PM.

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    So you want to turn Normal into LFR? No thanks. Keep the LFR raiders in LFR.

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    Maybe if a) it's enabled only in the final months of a Tier when the encounters are well-known by most and b) the minimum item level is set at a level far above the tuning of the encounters.

    Otherwise, you are delusional if you think anything would rise out of this system except fury and rage and frustration. Group Finder is already a disaster 50% of the time when leaders can HAND PICK their groups. Randomly matched groups without a specific leader, voice communications or any semblance of organization would fail 90% of the time. People would stop queueing after a week.

    Quote Originally Posted by HappyLuckBox View Post
    out of the ashes will rise a new breed of players, the ones who begin to see the light and realize the fun and value in grouping together and downing a moderately difficult encounter...some will suceed, grow, friendships made, and perhaps harder difficulties tackled.
    Uhh, that's not a new breed of players dude. Those players already exist. They're called guilds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adoxe View Post
    So you want to turn Normal into LFR? No thanks. Keep the LFR raiders in LFR.
    No i want to open up normal to lfr raiders to give them a taste. Normal groups can still form their own pugs if they wish.

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    This game already rewards players for being anti-social, rude and bad at the game enough already. There are plenty of people in the LFG tool already who shouldn't be, we don't need it to be any worse.

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    Excellent idea! It would surely appeal to many casual players who don't currently raid.

    The only problem I see is that the content would have to be tuned down because such groups probably wouldn't do too well and would get discouraged from constantly wiping... little coordination, probably a lot of low-skill players, etc.

    So I propose that instead of re-tuning normal for this new system we could introduce a new difficulty level specifically for this group finder. We could call it "Looking for Raid" to match the "Looking for Dungeon" tool introduced in the last expansion!

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    Absolutely not. LFR is already full of players who can't follow mechanics.

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    Excellent idea.
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    Auto matchmaking system never works for challenging content which requires coordination

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    Auto matchmaking system never works for challenging content which requires coordination
    Normal is just what used to be called Flex. It's easy and requires no coordination.

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    Fine the way it is.

    This would just turn normal into a hectic LFR with people queing who have no idea the difference between LFR and normal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xjev View Post
    Auto matchmaking system never works for challenging content which requires coordination
    quoting for truth...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    It's easy and requires no coordination.
    That's what people say about LFR, yet somehow many groups still manage to wipe numerous times per wing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    Normal is just what used to be called Flex. It's easy and requires no coordination.
    Thats funny because people manage to wipe in lfr, which is like 100 times easier than normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vedni View Post
    The kind of people who will queue for normals instead of using the group finder are the ones that want zero personal responsibility and don't want to be held accountable for their performance. It will not go well.

    Content that requires coordination and personal responsibility does not go well with an auto queuing/group making system.
    Couldn't have said it better myself. The majority of the wow player base is stupid, and very at that. They don't have the brains to do anything like that because once it requires actual cognitive activity, its too hard and they resort to complaining. That would be a nightmare of an idea even though I wish the game was oodles harder again like it used to be.

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    Normal mode BRF wing 1. Requirements- 650 item level. Gold challenge mode achievement. Normal modes for every past wing and raid of the expansion completed.

    For Highmaul wing 1 you would Need Gold challenge mode achievement. Ilev 630, Completed every heroic dungeon.

    - - - Updated - - -

    That should be a big enough filter to keep truly bad players out. Anyone who can get gold, have the right item level, and beat all the heroic dungeons should be competent enough to do a normal mode highmaul raid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoKPaNda View Post
    Normal is just what used to be called Flex. It's easy and requires no coordination.
    Easy, yeah, but no coordination? A couple of stubborn people who don't read chat can easily wipe the raid constantly on a fight like N Butcher. Imagine N Kargath with a couple of tanks who can't understand that they can't both be close to the boss during a chain hurl. Or everyone assuming "someone else" will soak on Ko'ragh. Or being stuck in a group that doesn't have two people who understand how the flamethrowers work on Brackenspore. Or Imperator.. just in general.

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