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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    It's good no matter how true or false the complaints were. Taking people's ability to lie out of the equation, both for police and for civilians, is excellent in police work.
    The only downside I can see is now that everything will be recorded, police have to be careful to make sure everything is done by the book. Lawyers of accused criminals now have a video to go over with a microscope looking for any technicality to get their client off. However I am willing to accept that trade off.

  2. #22
    I think it has a lot more to do with this:

    The department began testing the use of body cameras in January 2014, two months before city leaders called for an audit of the department's managerial practices by the U.S. Department of Justice.
    Than it does body cams.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Call me skeptical, but what if some of those stats were due to people not bullshitting stories?

    Like, sure, police violence is a thing and blah blah blah, but I doubt "Use of force down 46%" is entirely on the police. Maybe some people stopped making up stories.

    Inb4 "You police lover go kill yourself".
    Uh, you can say it's the people bullshitting with the 40% less complaints.

    The 46% less use of force is just straight up fact. It's not people reporting bullshit, it's the straight up quantity of occasions on which force is used, completely regardless of reasoning, results, or anything.


    The fact that it's down that much because the police got cameras just straight out tells us that wearing body cameras is making police far less likely to resort to using force.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Uh, you can say it's the people bullshitting with the 40% less complaints.

    The 46% less use of force is just straight up fact. It's not people reporting bullshit, it's the straight up quantity of occasions on which force is used, completely regardless of reasoning, results, or anything.


    The fact that it's down that much because the police got cameras just straight out tells us that wearing body cameras is making police far less likely to resort to using force.
    and asshole citizens far more honest.
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  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    and asshole citizens far more honest.
    That makes no sense though. If a citizen claims "excessive use of force" and there is no evidence of it happening then it would never be on the record.

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by Poopymonster View Post
    and asshole citizens far more honest.
    well, the fact that complaints went down by about the same amount as use of force went down is a pretty strongly related...

    i.e. it points to the idea that there weren't that many false complaints, and that a lot of that 46% difference in force was probably worth complaining about

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    That makes no sense though. If a citizen claims "excessive use of force" and there is no evidence of it happening then it would never be on the record.
    All complaints, legitimate or not, would be on the record.

    It's just the fact that it so closely correlates with the amount use of force has gone down by that implies a whole lot of that extra force was what was being complained about.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    Call me skeptical, but what if some of those stats were due to people not bullshitting stories?

    Like, sure, police violence is a thing and blah blah blah, but I doubt "Use of force down 46%" is entirely on the police. Maybe some people stopped making up stories.

    Inb4 "You police lover go kill yourself".
    The cameras are supposed to cut down on bullshit stories and bad cop behavior. This way cops can defend themselves against assholes who make shit up, and regular people can defend themselves against asshole cops.

    This doesn't always work, though. Some cops will be assholes even when they're being recorded.
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  8. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    That makes no sense though. If a citizen claims "excessive use of force" and there is no evidence of it happening then it would never be on the record.
    The "on camera" behavior goes both ways. Citizens being recorded know all that beligerent combative behavior is being recorded and they cant pretend to be a victim of "racism" and try to sue after the fact. Plus no one wants to get their ass kicked on camera.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by triplesdsu View Post
    The "on camera" behavior goes both ways. Citizens being recorded know all that beligerent combative behavior is being recorded and they cant pretend to be a victim of "racism" and try to sue after the fact. Plus no one wants to get their ass kicked on camera.
    TO sue you need more then your word, you need actual evidence, well to sue and win. You can sue anyone for anything.

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    TO sue you need more then your word, you need actual evidence, well to sue and win. You can sue anyone for anything.
    Im not saying they win, or a lawyer would waste their time talking to them but police arent dealing with intelligent people. At least not the ones getting arrested. But knowing the world will see what an idiot you are can motivate some people to not make something minor into something major.

  11. #31
    Most local Law Enforcement Agencies carry liability insurance to cover this risk. Thus the Insurance Companies will bear the brunt of the lawsuit cost. A better question is why the Insurer's don't insist on the camera's.

    In any case savings from fewer lawsuits will show up in the future but the cost of the camera's is now and much more often than not they don't have the cash now. Barring money coming from the Fed's or State they would have to take funds from something important to pay for this and that causes major political headaches.

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