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    Saudis enter the fray: Yemen (GGT)

    http://www.economist.com/news/middle...isenterthefray


    SAUDI Arabia was only going to tolerate the advance of the Iranian-backed Houthi rebels in neighbouring Yemen for so long. Early on the morning of March 26th the kingdom said it had launched a military operation to push back the Houthis and reinstate the “legitimate government” of President Abd Rabbo Mansour Hadi.

    Initial airstrikes hit the Shia rebel group's positions in Sana’a, the Yemeni capital, including the airport and the group’s political headquarters. They also targeted military bases controlled by loyalists of Ali Abdullah Saleh, Yemen’s former president. He was ousted in 2011 and subsequently has been backing the Houthis as they have taken over swathes of the desperately poor country of 24m. Later reports suggested bases of Saleh-loyalist military units in the other areas of the country had also been struck.

    Adel al-Jubeir, the Saudi ambassador to America, says the strikes are an opening salvo in a campaign involving ten countries—mainly believed to be fellow Gulf states. The White House announced shortly afterwards that America would provide logistical and intelligence support. Jordan and Egypt have offered to take part.
    Looks like we got a proxy war between Iran and S.A

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    Guess the conflict is completely sectarian now, maybe it always was.

    Iran, Shiite
    South Iraq, Shiite
    Syria and Assad, Shiite
    Yemen rebels, Shiite

    Saudis, Sunni
    North Iraq, Sunni
    Syria, Sunni
    Kurds, Sunni
    ISIS, Sunni

    Maybe Turkey, Sunni

    US/Coalition forces, Sunni, Shiite, mostly anti ISIS at the moment
    Russians, Assad and Syria have been their allies since WWII
    Last edited by Independent voter; 2015-03-26 at 01:49 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Guess the conflict is completely sectarian now, maybe it always was.

    Iran, Shiite
    South Iraq, Shiite
    Syria and Assad, Shiite
    Yemen rebels, Shiite

    Saudis, Sunni
    North Iraq, Sunni
    Syria, Sunni
    Kurds, Sunni
    ISIS, Sunni

    Maybe Turkey, Sunni

    US/Coalition forces, Sunni, Shiite, mostly anti ISIS at the moment
    Russians, Assad and Syria have been their allies since WWII
    Assad is trying to enforce a secular state (With an iron fist, which is what got him in trouble). Syria is not any kind of Muslim state. Get rid of Assad and it will be, but under Assad it's more or less the only secular state in the region.

    EDIT: Filed under "Shit people from North America don't fucking bother to look up before starting to chest thump and call for blood"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    Assad is trying to enforce a secular state (With an iron fist, which is what got him in trouble). Syria is not any kind of Muslim state. Get rid of Assad and it will be, but under Assad it's more or less the only secular state in the region.

    EDIT: Filed under "Shit people from North America don't fucking bother to look up before starting to chest thump and call for blood"
    Wow Gheld, you're so smart!

    Assad is Alawite who are Shiite. I didn't say he was religious. Strong ally of Iran.

    Filed under "Shit people from Canada don't fucking bother to look up "
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Wow Gheld, you're so smart!

    Assad is Alawite who are Shiite. I didn't say he was religious. Strong ally of Iran.

    Filed under "Shit people from Canada don't fucking bother to look up "
    Yeah and Syria was a secular state. US feeds rebels in Syria small arms, and somehow everybody is surprised that some big gigantic Islamist movement is ignited in Syria. And now there's this big rally for western powers to send military force there to get rid of ISIS, well that's what fucking Assad was doing in the first place. Except "werr the gerd guys" So when we indiscriminately ruin innocent lives in the process it's just collateral damage amirite?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    Yeah and Syria was a secular state. US feeds rebels in Syria small arms, and somehow everybody is surprised that some big gigantic Islamist movement is ignited in Syria. And now there's this big rally for western powers to send military force there to get rid of ISIS, well that's what fucking Assad was doing in the first place. Except "werr the gerd guys" So when we indiscriminately ruin innocent lives in the process it's just collateral damage amirite?
    Assad wasn't going after ISIS, that was a live and let kill the other guys kind of deal with the mainstream rebels. Assad was the one buying ISIS oil in fact....
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    I'd never compare him to Hitler, Hitler was actually well educated, and by all accounts pretty intelligent.

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    It all comes down to this, from google

    "The group now known as Sunnis chose Abu Bakr, the prophet's adviser, to become the first successor, or caliph, to lead the Muslim state. Shiites favored Ali, Muhammad's cousin and son-in-law. Ali and his successors are called imams, who not only lead the Shiites but are considered to be descendants of Muhammad."

    Didn't Dr Seuss do a book with a similar theme?
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    which book would it be? I cant place it

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    which book would it be? I cant place it
    Star bellies? hm no... um um um...

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    When will it end in the middle east? Well... how long did it take in Europe before the fighting stopped between groups, religions and states? 2000+ years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hubcap View Post
    Shiites
    Emphasis is so important for this word

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deruyter View Post
    When will it end in the middle east? Well... how long did it take in Europe before the fighting stopped between groups, religions and states? 2000+ years?



    Emphasis is so important for this word
    People in Europe and NA are still bickering over religion. Look at northern Ireland and the u.S. senate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belize View Post
    People in Europe and NA are still bickering over religion. Look at northern Ireland and the u.S. senate.
    People all over the world will always bicker over religion and race as long as more than one exists.
    I am not Voting Trump because I support him, its about keeping a Career Criminal out of office that mishandles classified information.
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    Have you even considered the perspective of the 'violent' muslims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gheld View Post
    Except "werr the gerd guys" So when we indiscriminately ruin innocent lives in the process it's just collateral damage amirite?
    Since the Iraq War, this has been purely to keep the Middle East unstable. Might as well assume that any, and all, US involvement is to keep it that way. No one is surprised. The surprising part? Is that people still feel like this shit is due to secular infighting, and not a direct result of purposeful instability.
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    ISIS is not with any group, lonewolf they are enemies of saudi and iran

    its always like this

    Iran, Shiite
    South Iraq, Shiite
    Syria and Assad, Shiite
    Yemen rebels, Shiite


    VS


    GCC countries
    Pakistan
    Egypt
    Turkey
    Jordan
    US(logistical support)

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    Yay, another conflict we feel compelled to stick our noses in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Naxere View Post
    Yay, another conflict we feel compelled to stick our noses in.
    a conflict where it would hurt iran, US would proudly help in it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaon View Post
    a conflict where it would hurt iran, US would proudly help in it
    Possibly we may simply prod them into a fight more than anything else, a full scale war in the ME is just what the Doctor ordered
    Quote Originally Posted by Connal View Post
    I'd never compare him to Hitler, Hitler was actually well educated, and by all accounts pretty intelligent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaon View Post
    a conflict where it would hurt iran, US would proudly help in it
    While we're in the middle of negotiating a nuke deal with them? Seems smart.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GennGreymane View Post
    http://www.economist.com/news/middle...isenterthefray


    Looks like we got a proxy war between Iran and S.A
    Hmm...any russians there? Maybe Putin should go free them and annex Yemen in the process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teaon View Post
    a conflict where it would hurt iran, US would proudly help in it
    Well, we're providing air support for Iranian forces at the moment around Tikrit in Iraq.
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