Criticize my Subt Rogue please!

[gwinbleid]

Hello!. Well , im pretty sure that i should be doing more damage or at least 40k+ since i campared my kill time, damage and item lvl with other rogues and seems dat they are able to do 40k and y cant. I must be doing somthing wrong for sure but i really dont know what could it be. Would appreciate a lot if u guys can help me.
This is my log vs gruul.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=2

Armory.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/es/characte.../Aenurr/simple

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You delayed your on-use trinket and shadow reflection. So instead of 3 procs you have only 2 in this fight.

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Didn't do much wrong other than not using cd's properly. Probably more problems to do with energy management but you didn't advanced log so can't tell.

[gwinbleid]

Didn't do much wrong other than not using cd's properly. Probably more problems to do with energy management but you didn't advanced log so can't tell.

OK, i will try to advanced log so u could take a better look cause i really want to know what am i doing wrong....

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Advanced log from gruul.
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/jB1RfWVKdLDn8MHP/#fight=143

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you are not making big mistakes by any means (as far as i can see from a log), but there's some small things you can do that i spotted with a brief look...

Try to rupture after SR, but before dance (minor).

You refreshed rupture 1s into your 2nd dance, and 2s into your 3rd dance. Also during almost every vanish subterfuge - try to refresh it before unless a trinket proc/awkward kill time forces you into rushing CD uses (this wasn't the case for you). More specifically when using dance without on-use MS as the rupture refresh likelyhood would be lower.

3s slice drop was before you got petrified so avoidable.

Avoid capping on anticipation, especially during times like find weakness. This happened a couple of times.

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your opener didnt have all bleeds in it

[Nakotsu]

Hello!. Well , im pretty sure that i should be doing more damage or at least 40k+ since i campared my kill time, damage and item lvl with other rogues and seems dat they are able to do 40k and y cant. I must be doing somthing wrong for sure but i really dont know what could it be. Would appreciate a lot if u guys can help me.
This is my log vs gruul.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...-done&source=2

Armory.

http://eu.battle.net/wow/es/characte.../Aenurr/simple

I was sub all up till 3 months and let me tell you as soon as I went combat my dps increased by 4-6k.. The reason being theres more dots in combat... so to compare your dps to other rogues in a raid you would have to know if they are combat or assassination or sub,.... but its most likely they are not sub.

[gwinbleid]

you are not making big mistakes by any means (as far as i can see from a log), but there's some small things you can do that i spotted with a brief look...

Try to rupture after SR, but before dance (minor).

You refreshed rupture 1s into your 2nd dance, and 2s into your 3rd dance. Also during almost every vanish subterfuge - try to refresh it before unless a trinket proc/awkward kill time forces you into rushing CD uses (this wasn't the case for you). More specifically when using dance without on-use MS as the rupture refresh likelyhood would be lower.

3s slice drop was before you got petrified so avoidable.

Avoid capping on anticipation, especially during times like find weakness. This happened a couple of times.

Thanks dude ! i will try to what u said. hope that will help my dps.

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I was sub all up till 3 months and let me tell you as soon as I went combat my dps increased by 4-6k.. The reason being theres more dots in combat... so to compare your dps to other rogues in a raid you would have to know if they are combat or assassination or sub,.... but its most likely they are not sub.

I compare my dps with sub rogues from the same item lvl and same time .

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Looking at your energy management -> https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports...rces&spell=103
I'd say you might to a bit better if you pooled more energy inbetween your SD that could be used for random trinkets and enchant procs. That and postponing your SR and trinket by one shadow dance might have caused you not getting higher ranks there.

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That and postponing your SR and trinket by one shadow dance might have caused you not getting higher ranks there.

????? the kill was 3:06, that doesn't make any sense.

Pooling before Vanishes and SD's was fine. So was extending FW in the last GcD - The worst extension was 1.8s before a SD end - it's perfectly acceptable. You could argue that he could've went 20 energy higher on the Vanishes but its minor. Pooling outside of that is pretty irrelevant.

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????? the kill was 3:06, that doesn't make any sense.

The comment about CD usage was meant to the first log - heroic kill 4:34

Pooling before Vanishes and SD's was fine. So was extending FW in the last GcD - The worst extension was 1.8s before a SD end - it's perfectly acceptable. You could argue that he could've went 20 energy higher on the Vanishes but its minor. Pooling outside of that is pretty irrelevant.

Energy pooling makes sense even outside of Vanish/SD. I wouldn't say the difference is marginal if you can get one extra backstab/evis when you have a proc, though it's not going to be more than a few percent increase.

[gwinbleid]

Thanks u really guys! u helping me a lot, if u find any more mistakes let me know.
PD. Sorry for my bad english..

[Smaxy]

I usually pool to 60 energy before entering shadow dance due to 2p; how much do you reccomend pooling in regards to Vanish? I'm under the impression that you should be spamming backstab/eviscerates while FW is up. Note that I never Vanish if I'm below 60 energy for obvious reasons, just curious on how long people wait to get into Vanish

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how much do you reccomend pooling in regards to Vanish?

Higher the better generally, without jeopardising other cd's near the end of the fight from waiting too long.

[datoona]

Its good to pull to 60 energy but there are different ways of getting around

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I have to agree with the higher the better as well

[Smaxy]

Well pooling to anything under 60 means you can't immediately ambush after Vanish which would seem to be a dps loss.. Alright got it thanks

[gwinbleid]

I usually pool to 65-70 energy so i usually can do 3 ambush before subterfuge goes away