Soviet Sweden? Model Nation Sliding to Third World - Is It So?

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There is a difference between "Melting Pot Society" and "Multicultralism"

See in a Melting Pot Society, the different cultures intermix, ideas are exchanged and horizons open. People start spreading the cultures between each other in a sort of osmosis effect and everyone learns about shit.

See, The Indian or Caribbean Immigrants of 1970 into Britain. Indians adopt English practices, accents and generally become ENGLISH in culture, while keeping ties to their homeland. Meanwhile British culture as a whole adopted traits from said wholly absorbed cultures such as whole new branches of English music and Indian Cuisine.

Then we have Multiculturalism where "EVERY CULTURE IS EQUAL AND SHOULD BE KEPT AS IS" of the current Islam and Slavic Immigrant cultures into Britain. Where they shut themselves into their own circles, refuse to acclaim and do nothing to adopt the British culture as a whole, meanwhile, the British culture as a whole has not accepted any traits of these peoples.

In short, It's an idea that cannot work when forced, and cannot work on everyone.

Muslims in Britain? A failure. They should be forced to acclaim now that they have shown they refuse to in their own cultural elements.

My mother is Polish and came here in the fifties. She worked hard for the inland revenue all her life, speaks perfect queens english and to all intents and purposes is more British than British. Her experience is typical of the Polish community. In short, you are talking a load of unsubstantiated racist and offensive bullshit

I'm not a Muslim but I used to work in a Eritrean area and those Muslims I've met were thoroughly integrated. They looked behaved and sounded the same as native Brits, except in that the girls tended to wear headscarves and didn't screw around or get drunk. You clearly get your information from the Mail or something.

[Sforza]

And this is news to whom exactly? Any person with a bit of sanity could have predicted this.
It's going to epic to watch this crumbling pulpit of lies and PC called Sweden fall to the ground because of their own stupidity.

[Celista]

Indeed. Multiculturalism is bad. It assumes every culture should be equally respected in every field. This is wrong. The Culture of the Country should come first and it is through Assimilation that other cultures thrive and live on.

I disagree. Why do we need one dominant culture that everyone is expected to assimilate into? What is the point of this?

We have multiculturalism in the US now and things work fine. Most people still learn/speak English and most storefronts have English signs.

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The way the word is used in this thread it's more like 'the newcomers are melted until they uniformly into the establish society'. Which is pretty much the exact opposite.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot

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[QUOTE=Celista;33064104]I disagree. Why do we need one dominant culture that everyone is expected to assimilate into? What is the point of this?


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Because he has a backward and primitive distrust of people of a different ethnic background, little more developed than a caveman who fears the encroachment of a neighbouring tribe. There's not usually a lot of people trying to engage in discussion with such people, there's little in the way of intellect being employed there except to rationalize primal fear and hatred.

[jordonus]

They're doing well over in the US, mostly because the US has strict anti-discrimination laws.

Good thing the level of uneducated low-skill immigrants coming from backwards countries is nowhere near the same percentage of the population as in Sweden. You're right though, where would be without that tiny fraction we have now to fill those minimum wage taxi and convenience store jobs.

[Deleted]

There is a reason why this questions is such a complex one.

From one angle; Yes, Sweden has taken a huge burden of the cheer quantity of immigrants from abroad. If you look up statistics on how much immigrants per capita Sweden accepts, it is absurd. It is a reason why the "anti-immigrant" party Sverigedemokraterna is so popular (and increasing steadily).

The dangers though (from my opinion and view of the matter) is that too many educated/ambitious people migrate abroad to countries like Norway, England etc, leading to our knowledge leaking out. And on top of that; the left-wing is now the political leading party... Leading to higer taxes, higher support for those in need etc. Fuel for the flames..

On the other side; Sweden need the immigration. It is so dangerous to generalize people (especially muslims). Media is a huge factor contributing to this, making the "good" and ambitious muslims invisible to the general opinion.

[Deleted]

My mother is Polish and came here in the fifties. She worked hard for the inland revenue all her life, speaks perfect queens english and to all intents and purposes is more British than British. Her experience is typical of the Polish community. In short, you are talking a load of unsubstantiated racist and offensive bullshit

I'm not a Muslim but I used to work in a Eritrean area and those Muslims I've met were thoroughly integrated. They looked behaved and sounded the same as native Brits, except in that the girls tended to wear headscarves and didn't screw around or get drunk. You clearly get your information from the Mail or something.

I live in Bradford, West Yorkshire. I get my infomation walking out into the city centre my friend. They have failed. The newer generation of Immigrants have failed.

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I disagree. Why do we need one dominant culture that everyone is expected to assimilate into? What is the point of this?

We have multiculturalism in the US now and things work fine. Most people still learn/speak English and most storefronts have English signs.

Because that's how Britain has worked before, take the best bits, burn away the rest. Right now, Islam and other Immigrants have done nothing for Britain. Why should we see them as anything to applaud?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melting_pot

Okay, please help me get this right:

You have the swedish establishment, 'leftist', who like the idea of multiculturalism. Anyone who goes against this mindset - even just thinking out loud - has to fear being called a Nazi by the mainstream media.

Then you have for example this professor who was ranting in any form about 'immigrant problems' (professor = not a fan of multi-culti. He could favor a melting-pot model, or stricter immigration rules, or another form of society that's not been mentioned in the video, or he could just straight up hate to have anyone in the country that doesn't have generations worth of pure swedish blood), who was then found out by left-wing hackers (left wing hackers = very much into the idea of multiculturalism)

The swedish immigration model (multiculturalism) is failing. 'Proven' by the crime-rates, firestarters and decline of the education.

The dispatch guys want to openly talk about the failure of the on-going immigration. At least that's how they want to be perceived. The lady towards the end ('We had a rich country. That will soon be gone.") sounds like she rather have the immigrants gone, like completely gone - no multiculturalism, no melting, just byebye.

Swedes are afraid to have this 'newspaper' (and others that talk about immigration at all) delivered to their homes, because even talking about the immigration problem could possibly get them labeled as racist muslim-hater.

Correct?


/edit: The way melting pot is used is really different from the way I grew up with the term (German school). What we called melting pot is best fit by Social Integration. The way you use the word sounds more dominance-focused (not talking about your intention, rather the intention that is implied to be the mindset of the majority in the society in question), more conservative.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Lol, this is an area where romani people live:



They exist all over Sweden nowadays to some extent.

There's an area in the middle of Nashville Tennessee that looks exactly like that. It's mostly occupied by ultra racist rednecks.

[Celista]

Okay, please help me get this right:

Immigration policy and multiculturalism are separate from one another. Multiculturalism is an attitude towards minority culture, an open or closed immigration policy can be related to a variety of social, economic, and political ideologies. Multiculturalism doesn't encourage immigration or discourage it. The two concepts are unrelated.

To say that Sweden's immigration policies "failed" due to multicuturalism is to have an overly simplistic understanding of the impact of immigration and how social attitudes and other social policies related to immigration intersect with the country's ability to handle the influx of refugees/immigrants and their particular needs, so that they may thrive in a Western country.

[Independent voter]

People who are anti immigration aren't necessarily racists, they are most likely not racists. People don't like change, you go to your coffee shop to get a cup of coffee and you see immigrants sitting there, that's change.

Also if you're a working class person all of a sudden you have all these immigrants who now compete with you for work. Who would like that?

Sure, there is some racism but I don't think racism is a big enough issue to worry about. Economics and people adjusting to change are much bigger factors.

[Naxere]

I disagree. Why do we need one dominant culture that everyone is expected to assimilate into? What is the point of this?

We have multiculturalism in the US now and things work fine. Most people still learn/speak English and most storefronts have English signs.

You've clearly never been to Los Angeles.

[Vyxn]

Isn't Sweden one of those socialist utopias that liberal Americans always point to as a model of what we should become?

[PACOX]

Sweden is the model nation? Maybe to a small minority on the internet. It also puzzles me as an American how this "model nation" struggles so much with immigration and multiculturalism.

[Kuntantee]

In my experience, pretty much every Swede I've met in games have been really unpleasant, not just in the racist category. I try to avoid fellow Swedes mostly.

And in my experience, Swedes are extremely polite and educated together with dutch people.


On the topic, the comparison with NK and USSR at the start is hilarious and shows you the level of credibility of this video.

[Grummgug]

5% of Sweden is muslim. I'm not sure what the big deal is.

[Independent voter]

5% of Sweden is muslim. I'm not sure what the big deal is.

Alright, now that's funny, made me laugh. Off the top of my head the US has what %15 blacks? And that's not counting Asians, Latinos etc.

[Deleted]

Alright, now that's funny, made me laugh. Off the top of my head the US has what %15 blacks? And that's not counting Asians, Latinos etc.

There's a big difference, since Sweden isn't a nation founded on immigration, unlike the USA. Certainly not non-European immigration.

Also, there's been a 320% increase in crime since Sweden became 'multicultural'.

[Deleted]

Sweden is the model nation? Maybe to a small minority on the internet. It also puzzles me as an American how this "model nation" struggles so much with immigration and multiculturalism.

Its considered a "model nation" by most other civilized nations and politicians because of its strong, stable economy and its social programs.

Most people are more concerned about what happens if they get cancer or can't get a job than what the skin colour of their neighbour is.

I'm not sure why some right-wing Americans feel the need to lecture Sweden in this thread. Relative to the US with its history of genocide and slavery that persist into the modern era it has very little problems.

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I live in Bradford, West Yorkshire. I get my infomation walking out into the city centre my friend. They have failed. The newer generation of Immigrants have failed.

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Because that's how Britain has worked before, take the best bits, burn away the rest. Right now, Islam and other Immigrants have done nothing for Britain. Why should we see them as anything to applaud?

What precisely has Yorkshire done for the world? You come across as boorish, arrogant, xenophobic, and so tight-fisted you make the Scots look like philanthropists.

Ask most people if they want Yorkshiremen living next to them or Muslims and I think you'll find a fairly even split.

[lol_copter23]

Im from sweden and i can confirm alot of the things stated in this video.

While we might not become a third world country (similar to north korea and other communist places) we will have economic problems in the near future because of the mass immigration wich is VERY infected to talk about here. You're a racists basiclly if you want to celeberate Swedens national day or show a swedish flag in public, such as as a print on a shirt and so forth. The only exception being if you have a flag in your yard, perhaps. Immigrants also get more rights in our society, including free healhtcare, free dentist care, in some places, even a free drivers license. And they also wanted them to be first in line for jobs ( sweden have a big issue with jobless people atm, mainly young adults).

Im sick and tired of this country and plan to move as soon as ive finished my studies to be honest. As Sweden isnt looking promising for the future.

The immigration problem is looked upon as if it didnt exist, allthough it clearly does, atleast for the people who see the problems and live among them.
Now , ive met some very nice immigrants who play their part and work/study etc, but the vast majority is sitting in getthos where they get shuffled by the swedish goverment as they arrive, where the problems grows worse, with them becoming criminal, hating swedes and often doing crimes because of it. In a place called "rosengård" in malmö , firetrucks and ambulances fear driving though because they get stones throwed at their cars from bridges.

So, when people want to talk about the problems, you get called a racist just by questioning the amount we let in each year (or even month). And the general social acceptable thing to do is just sit quiet and pretend like theres not a problem, or so it seems. But many people are sick and tired of it and thus people started to vote for "sweden democrates" wich really only have a rather socialist politic direction, but with a more responsible immigration politics. They get flamed as racist/nazi in the swedish media, allthough they are VERY far from racist in the politics (with some eggheads in the party that have clearly been racist, but these people get kicked from the patry rather quickly).

These problems are so major that a essay could be written about it. But to answer your question, yes most of the things said in that video is true! sadly.