Al Gore: politicians should pay a price for [ climate ] denial: Agree?

[Ferg]

Man-made "global warming" is still unproven. Gore should pay a portion of all the money he has made by fostering and perpetuating the lies and exaggerations.

Not only are you literally as wrong as possible, you're a shining example of the people he's talking about. Good job.

[Acidbaron]

Gore means guys like this one:



Such people should indeed be held accountable for their decisions.

Well he probably is part of the people in the united states that believe Jesus will come back to life in their lifetime, so i their intelligence or understanding of science seems to me to be similar to that of a us more then a century ago.

Saying something is god's way is as intelligent as saying "Zeus is playing in the sky that's what thunder is"

I'm surprised someone so uneducated can get elected.

[Wildtree]

What is the correct sea level, again?

depends on what year you're looking at it....
And we measure that from land, at various points around the globe.
This one's probably one of the most famous ones, located in Israel:



And why it depends. well.... this is the reason.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_lev...Level_Rise.png

[Wells]

Why has it been proven that the Antarctic ice is actually getting thicker then?

This has about all the intellectual honest of trying to prove AGW with a single storm.

[Dch48]

Politicians, in office and afterwards always use their influence and power to push agendas that profit them. Al Gore didn't care much about climate science until he stood to make a profit off of it.

Also, when the scientist whose theories he based everything on retracted nearly all of it, Gore branded his former mentor as being a senile old man.

[Wells]

Confucious say, "circle jerk is peer-reviewed masturbation". GIGO. I suppose those with science to dispute it can all review each others work and declare them peer-reviewed as well.

Don't talk to us about science then pretend peer review is a joke. You want science, do science. Put up or shut up Stormdash

What goal posts? There's no goal to begin with. AGW is Calvinball. I live on the Atlantic Coast of Florida and have for most of nearly 25 years. My feet ain't gotten wet other than when fishing, and the fishing spot doesn't move any farther inland with the tide than it ever has. Already happening? I'm sure glad nothing else but AGW can explain flood conditions, like drainage, higher or lower precipitation, etc.

He pointed out that sea levels are rising, you move the goal posts to some claptrap about "correct sea level"

[Stormdash]

I'm also innately suspicious of a climatological crisis that appears to only be fixable through economic central planning. That's not convenient.

[Wells]

I'm also innately suspicious of a climatological crisis that appears to only be fixable through economic central planning. That's not convenient.

Disbelieving scientists because you don't like what you think the ramifications of those conclusions are is hardly reasonable.

[Acidbaron]

Why has it been proven that the Antarctic ice is actually getting thicker then?

I'm impressed by you, i mean every report has shown that permafrost has been reduced every cycle and not fully grown back. Yet ice getting thicker will suddenly help with how permafrost works.

Unless you mean that the permafrost has increased over time, which it simply hasn't especially if we look at longer periods.

[taliey]

I'm also innately suspicious of a climatological crisis that appears to only be fixable through economic central planning. That's not convenient.

Cap and trade? It's a market based solution, not central planning you idiot.

[lockedout]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/bluesk...313-story.html



He's making such vague comments here about politicians "paying a price" that he really should be asked to explain exactly what he means. Of course, the media isn't going to ask him to explain himself. Please don't attempt to run cover for Mr. Gore on such statements. He's a grown man. He knows what he is doing when he make VAGUE comments about "paying a price" politically. He's trying to start a conversation on political punishments for people who oppose his views.

And what does he even mean by "denial"? Does he mean someone who denies the planet is warming? Or someone who denies the future projections of where global temperature is heading? Or both? Or neither? If I approach Mr. Gore with data that shows solar will make fossil fuels obsolete in 2-3 decades, will he label me a "denier" and seek political punishment for me? Do you agree with the general notion of politicians "paying a price" for "denial"?

Do we remember the statements Al Gore made about climate change?

[Endus]

What is the correct sea level, again?

This is pretty trivially established by looking at the sea level that current infrastructure was designed to account for. When the sea level gets higher than that, flooding happens. This is really basic stuff.

Of course man made global warming is real.

The people who...

...want to sell me a less effective more expensive alternative
...want to control a second 1/3 sized chunk of the economy
...want to take money away from their political opponents
...want me to think I already know the truth so I'll stop looking for it

...told me so.

Second. Greatest. Scam. Ever.

I really do not understand the claim that scientists, who make no more money for the specific conclusions their research draws, are somehow perpetuating a conspiracy with a profit motive that nobody can actually demonstrate, while simultaneously ignoring that the oil industry has exactly the profit motive you're trying to project onto climatologists.

Why has it been proven that the Antarctic ice is actually getting thicker then?

https://www.skepticalscience.com/inc...termediate.htm

Because there are reasons for that, which don't contradict anthropogenic climate change models.

[Dch48]

Well he probably is part of the people in the united states that believe Jesus will come back to life in their lifetime, so i their intelligence or understanding of science seems to me to be similar to that of a us more then a century ago.

Saying something is god's way is as intelligent as saying "Zeus is playing in the sky that's what thunder is"

I'm surprised someone so uneducated can get elected.

Jesus will return but when nobody knows. Everything that happens is God's way and Armageddon is coming and nothing anyone can say or do can stop it. After that, the deniers of God won't exist any more. "Education" is not always the answer, especially if what is being taught is wrong.

[Stormdash]

Don't talk to us about science then pretend peer review is a joke. You want science, do science. Put up or shut up Stormdash

Can we just take it as read that I posted a small litany of climate scientists that make the case against, you cried "blasphemer!" at them, and nobody changed their mind?

He pointed out that sea levels are rising, you move the goal posts to some claptrap about "correct sea level"

No, he said flood conditions in Miami prove rising sea levels and in turn prove global cooling/warming/"climate change" and in turn prove that man causes it. That's not the same thing at all.

[lockedout]

I'm also innately suspicious of a climatological crisis that appears to only be fixable through economic central planning. That's not convenient.

If you tax everyone climate change will go away. Just pay money to whoever.

[Ironhorn]

Implying America is the problem not China and India.

[Wells]

Jesus will return but when nobody knows. Everything that happens is God's way and Armageddon is coming and nothing anyone can say or do can stop it. After that, the deniers of God won't exist any more. "Education" is not always the answer, especially if what is being taught is wrong.

Great, then you can excuse yourself from all issues of science policy, shouldn't be a problem for you.

[taliey]

If you tax everyone climate change will go away. Just pay money to whoever.

Ronald Reagan was quite fond of saying that if you want less of something, you tax it away.

[Wells]

Can we just take it as read that I posted a small litany of climate scientists that make the case against, you cried "blasphemer!" at them, and nobody changed their mind?

I'm just asking for the peer reviewed studies backing up your claims. You're the one who said "put up or shut up" Stormdash, practice what you preach.

[Stormdash]

Cap and trade? It's a market based solution, not central planning you idiot.

For people with a really ree-ree malfunction about what a free market is. The government telling everybody how much they can earn and/or how much of economic activity X they can do, before they have to start giving money away... is not that. That's the government picking who gets what, when, and how much. That's centrally planning. Just because it's not called a Five Year Plan on the binding doesn't mean it's not cut from the same cloth.