Obamacare's biggest failure

[kelfurion]

obamacare is his biggest failure

[Felya]

And it never fails to amaze me how people will fail to take ownership of their failures. After all that wrangling, a bill was produced that almost all Democrats and not a single Republican voted for.

So when a bi-partisan solution was needed, they needed to come this far [------->] to their opposition's positions but instead they came this far [->].

And proponents of the bill can't stop bitching about the [->] movement, like it would have been PERFECT if it weren't for the damn Republicans.

Heritage and republicans introduced the mandate as part of an alternative to Hilarycare, then did nothing with it. Romney has it in his state and it's very popular. Feel free to compare the differences between republican alternatives to ACA. The compromise they were looking for, is them getting credit for it. ACA is bad because of Obama gets credit.

Oct. 13: Republican Sen. Olympia Snowe announces in the Senate Finance Committee debate that she will vote for the heath care bill, telling her colleagues she has misgivings about the bill, but "when history calls, history calls."

http://www.nbcnews.com/video/nbc-news/33295392

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My premiums doubling had nothing to do with what the Republicans have done, to my knowledge the things the Republicans have fought against is the subsidies. The other things they fought against was democrats delaying things that was was suppose to be implemented in the ACA until after the election.

What do you think this is against in ACA:

http://youtu.be/LgsxDX3UG3Y

[Barkloud]

If you like your out of context sound clips you can keep your out of context sound clips.

Lol hard to take eight words out of context.

[Lenonis]

Lol hard to take eight words out of context.

/facepalm. Serious? Sarcasm? Missing the point?

[Cthulhu 2020]

And it never fails to amaze me how people will fail to take ownership of their failures. After all that wrangling, a bill was produced that almost all Democrats and not a single Republican voted for.

So when a bi-partisan solution was needed, they needed to come this far [------->] to their opposition's positions but instead they came this far [->].

And proponents of the bill can't stop bitching about the [->] movement, like it would have been PERFECT if it weren't for the damn Republicans.

You seem to be completely missing what everyone and even google will tell you. There are parts of the ACA that were authored by Republicans, and the ACA itself was taken from the Heritage Foundation's original insurance reform model, including mandatory coverage, penalties for not signing up, minimum requirements for plans, and inability to drop people from insurance plans.

Republicans had PLENTY of time to add their input, and they did. Lots of it. It's why we don't have the proper universal health care we should have, because the ACA was the private option to health care reform. Bitching about the ACA as a failure may as well be calling the market a failure, because universal certainly works better in every country where the quality of doctors is similar to or higher than the US.

The pre-ACA system screwed the patient over in many ways. Funny how all those stories about poor Margaret being dropped from her health care plan that Fox news played a lot during the Bush era have suddenly disappeared.

[Felya]

Lol hard to take eight words out of context.

No, it really isn't. You just have to repeat those 8 words, ignoring what came before or after. Same thing with 'you did not build that', be it 3 words shorter than your arbitrary 8 word limit.

[ati87]

Can you find those millions of Americans that are actually struggling with the ACA? My guess not, even those people from the adds weren't really worse of now, they had shit insurance that cost more in a month then they covered.

And the 2e part seems kind of weird to argument....

[Poopymonster]

The pre-ACA system screwed the patient over in many ways. Funny how all those stories about poor Margaret being dropped from her health care plan that Fox news played a lot during the Bush era have suddenly disappeared.

Death panels got her, or she's in a FEMA camp where all patriots and christians are being herded up and having their guns taken away. Cuz Glenn Beck said so.

[Deleted]

Frankly, the biggest failure related to ACA was a) making it clear to the American people what an uphill battle it was just to pass something in the end, and b) not calling out the Republican lawmakers for their point-blank refusal to work with the Democrats to pass a healthcare reform that was clearly needed.

Hell, add not informing the American public about their options (the King v. Burwell case before the Supreme Court is a joke with all 4 plaintiffs either being eligible for other care or being below the income limit where ACA becomes mandatory), and not calling out Republican governors for refusing the expanded Medicare coverage so they wouldn't have to build an exchange, thus resulting in the clusterfuck that was the Federal Exchange.

[Poopymonster]

Hell, add not informing the American public about their options (the King v. Burwell case before the Supreme Court is a joke with all 4 plaintiffs either being eligible for other care or being below the income limit where ACA becomes mandatory), and not calling out Republican governors for refusing the expanded Medicare coverage so they wouldn't have to build an exchange, thus resulting in the clusterfuck that was the Federal Exchange.

"I refuse to take government dollars to help my state" doesn't play as well as "I KEPT EBUL GUBERMINT OWT OV INSURINCE"

[Miley]

I guess I like ACA so far only because I'm 25 and still covered by my mothers insurance. I never supported the ACA because as I figured there is no way I would ever get any subsidy. So now next year I will have to buy insurance at these higher rates because of all the things the ACA changed like insurance companies having to accept preexisting conditions. The entire premise of the ACA was to give insurance to the poor and sick and as I will not benefit from this at all I did not support it. I want single payer healthcare.

[Orbitus]

This again? I swear it's like people find one sound byte and cling to it like a rabid dog while ignoring all of the debunking, clarifications, and other things that followed it.

Well, you have to understand that they love shit like that. Especially when Obama said, "You didn't build that".

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I guess I like ACA so far only because I'm 25 and still covered by my mothers insurance. I never supported the ACA because as I figured there is no way I would ever get any subsidy. So now next year I will have to buy insurance at these higher rates because of all the things the ACA changed like insurance companies having to accept preexisting conditions. The entire premise of the ACA was to give insurance to the poor and sick and as I will not benefit from this at all I did not support it. I want single payer healthcare.

Why do you think you won't get a subsidy? Unless you make a decent amount of cash or live in a red state you probably will. Believe me, there are millions of people that want single payer but Republicans claim "SOCIALISM" when they say anything close to single payer. I mean look at them claiming socialism with possibly the most capitalistic healthcare bill ever.

[breadisfunny]

Well, you have to understand that they love shit like that. Especially when Obama said, "You didn't build that".

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Why do you think you won't get a subsidy? Unless you make a decent amount of cash or live in a red state you probably will. Believe me, there are millions of people that want single payer but Republicans claim "SOCIALISM" when they say anything close to single payer. I mean look at them claiming socialism with possibly the most capitalistic healthcare bill ever.

as far as wisconsin's system works unless you can find a way to get on badgercare your screwed if your in the bracket that's making too much to qualify for help (which is a very low sum almost starvation levels without housing) but too little to afford healthcare.