Girl scouts welcome cross-dressing boys into their ranks.

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Don't lesbian, gay and queer all mean homosexual?

Why not HBTIA.

Not sure why asexuality needs to be there though either.

You can be transgender and not be homosexual, it's complicated.

[Lupinemancer]

I think that boy is a genious, him alone with all those girls!

[Revi]

Isn't queer just an synonym of gay? I always though the acronym was just LGBT and included all sexually different possibilities (without listing every single one).

People like their special titles.

[Paladin885]

Good for them.

LGBTIQA

god that is getting out of hand. I got a gay friend who thinks it should just be LG; I partially agree. I won't go into his thoughts on the "T"

[Masark]

Well if you read the article then you would have seen this link http://www.girlscouts.org/program/ba...th/faqs.asp#a5 to the GSA's website. I hate when people can't read an article and make an intelligent decision about what it is saying. They see the source and if they don't like it then it's automatically fabricated.

I didn't say it was fabricated. I said it was presented in a highly dishonest manner and contains fearmongering from socially backwards organizations (CWA and AFA) that are arguably hate groups and pushes these wingnuts' fundamentalist alternative.

Cross dressinng boys are not girls, no matter how bad they want to be. They might as well change their name from Girl Scouts to something else because with this change they are no longer that.

I would suggest just dropping the "girl" bit, as we have up here. It's just "Scouts".

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It already started

Hey they have to prove their girl credits were earned.

[Rixis]

You can be transgender and not be homosexual, it's complicated.

Isn't that where the T comes in? Being T doesn't have to mean you're H, so what's complicated, as long as you're one of the letters. But when 3 of the letters literally mean the same thing, it's getting redundant. As for A, I'm not sure what rights A needs to fight for/be recognised for, or how they're being oppressed.

[Vanyali]

Isn't queer just an synonym of gay? I always though the acronym was just LGBT and included all sexually different possibilities (without listing every single one).

Yes and no; it's also used for people that consider themselves genderqueer, but not necessarily trans. Non-binary falls under queer sometimes, but not always.

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I didn't say it was fabricated. I said it was presented in a highly dishonest manner and contains fearmongering from socially backwards organizations (CWA and AFA) that are arguably hate groups and pushes these wingnuts' fundamentalist alternative.

Sure but no one is talking about them. We are talking about cross dressing boys joining the girl scouts.
Not to mention you said:

My first thoughts are that you shouldn't get your news from Breitbart

Which is what I was referring to.

[Vanyali]

Isn't that where the T comes in? Being T doesn't have to mean you're H, so what's complicated, as long as you're one of the letters. But when 3 of the letters literally mean the same thing, it's getting redundant. As for A, I'm not sure what rights A needs to fight for/be recognised for, or how they're being oppressed.

Asexuals (from experience) aren't so much oppressed as.. bothered. Constantly shamed for not having / wanting a boyfriend, declared to be a liar because I say I have no real sex drive (oh you must just sit at home masturbating all day then, if you're not having sex <-- something I was told o_O), constant push for marriage / "settling down".

As I said though, not oppressed. Just misunderstood and bothered by idiots.

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Isn't that where the T comes in? Being T doesn't have to mean you're H, so what's complicated, as long as you're one of the letters. But when 3 of the letters literally mean the same thing, it's getting redundant. As for A, I'm not sure what rights A needs to fight for/be recognised for, or how they're being oppressed.

See it's complicated because I don't even know what you're talking about nor do I care.

[reef]

I agree with this change.

those poor girls having to put up with weirdos now :/

Yup, those 'weirdos' and those poor girls. I don't know how they will ever be able to cope with this change.

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LGBTIQA isn't an organization, it's a general label for the movement. It means Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transexual, Intersex, Queer, Asexual.

I always found it weird that they're all lumped together. Like we're all just a limb on the amorphous blob that is "non-straight". Trans issues are nothing to do with me, gay and lesbian issues are nothing to do with me. I don't even know how "queer" differs from "gay".

Anyway, is there any specific reason a boy living as a girl but not yet transitioned shouldn't be allowed to join the girl-scouts? I don't particularly care either way.

[Alvito]

Who cares about biology it is all about what you feel or think now. I was born a human but I really feel like I am a flying tiger, so I must be one. The problem is people put far too much into gender stereotypes so when people identify with the stereotypes of a different gender they feel that is what they are. Sorry gender is about your organs nothing more. Anything beyond that is just mental hang ups of others.

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Attack Helicopter and Boys not welcomed that screams discrimination

[Masark]

Isn't queer just an synonym of gay? I always though the acronym was just LGBT and included all sexually different possibilities (without listing every single one).

No.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genderqueer

Biological sex is not anywhere near as simple as most think, and then gender piles societal baggage on top of that, making it more complicated still.

Don't lesbian, gay and queer all mean homosexual?

The first two technically do, but "gay" generally refers to male homosexuals, whereas lesbian refers to female homosexuals.

Queer has another meaning entirely. See above.

Sure but no one is talking about them. We are talking about cross dressing boys joining the girl scouts.

Your bloody article is quoting them.

And you're persisting in using their dishonest and incorrect terminology conflating "cross dressing" and transsexual.

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I always found it weird that they're all lumped together. Like we're all just a limb on the amorphous blob that is "non-straight". Trans issues are nothing to do with me, gay and lesbian issues are nothing to do with me. I don't even know how "queer" differs from "gay".

Anyway, is there any specific reason a boy living as a girl but not yet transitioned shouldn't be allowed to join the girl-scouts? I don't particularly care either way.

Why are you presuming they are transitioning?

[Alvito]

You can be transgender and not be homosexual, it's complicated.

No it isn't. People just like to make it seem that way.

[Vanyali]

Who cares about biology it is all about what you feel or think now. I was born a human but I really feel like I am a flying tiger, so I must be one. The problem is people put far too much into gender stereotypes so when people identify with the stereotypes of a different gender they feel that is what they are. Sorry gender is about your organs nothing more. Anything beyond that is just mental hang ups of others.

Hi, welcome to reality.

"Gender" is your sociological role.
"Sex" is your biological role.

The two are not always the same, using the words interchangeably is wrong (and has been for a long, long while), and brain scans disagree with your "organs = right always!", as well as conditions where people have the external genitals of one sex, but the internal genitals of another.

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Your bloody article is quoting them.

And you're persisting in using their dishonest and incorrect terminology conflating "cross dressing" and transsexual.

The topic isn't about the article it's about whether you agree with boys being girl scouts. They are at this point cross dressing are they not? I don't think they are sexually active.