No 720 Bow and 715 on second to last boss?

[Deleted]

Realx yo
Blizzard just want to reduce the number of hunters
First they remove Fox after that put the most ugiest set even created in WoW history (freking LFR set looks beter)
And ofc why should we have a bow drop from Archimode ???
Just sit and enjoy in middle of damage meters as isual (have no idea from where that person who claims that we do 3x time more damage from others come )

[Ealyssa]

Maybe it's bad for people who spend 4 months farming 5/10M to kill the next 3 bosses....but is that what we're defining the loot system around?

The 99% of wow then...

But keep your elitism up, sound business

[Deleted]

With even ilvl BM would have a BiS wep off the first boss and still the class trinket to look forward to by the end.

So you only have the best imagineable situation for progression? Aww, come here man, you really do need a hug *hug*

[Donald Hellscream]

No, you should stop believing in shit Blizzard are pouring through your ears. The system was perfectly OK for years; they just want to you to spend more time on farming. First they implement a triple RNG over warforged/socket items, now this. I am absolutely OK if last boss drops higher ilvl loot than the rest of the raid instance, but a system like this creates nothing but a total absense of any class balance humanly possible.

Also, OT, you don't really understand what you are talking about. Having a weapon from first boss with perfect stats means you'll get a damage boost on progression, exactly when it matters. And your caster friends will suck for months until they'll manage to even have a chance to reach your numbers with oh-so-high ilvl drops and class trinkets from last boss, lol. I believe right at this point we can safely call this expansion: "Hunters of Draenor", because it really is pointless to play any other dps class when you can play hunter and be golden.

I get to believe in whatever the fuck I want to believe in. So respectfully, don't tell me what to do.

[seam]

Well, after you kill last boss gear doesn't matter. Therefore the classes that have the highest ilvl weps from Archimonde are less useful for progress(besides, melee earned have earned a nice raid spot at the bench this expansion).

Getting a Mythic level weapon right off the bat from the first boss that benefits your entire mythic progress is way better than farm-hurr-durr weapon from last boss.

Aka why Thori'dal wasn't a big deal.

Edit: Thinking about it, how it's set up is BETTER for us.(At least if they keep the higher ilevels for later bosses plan)
We have a solid bow for starting Mythic, a Mythic weapon off the first boss, and a stronger Mythic weapon for Archimonde progression.

Instead of, say, just a mythic weapon at the start and then one off Archimonde.

[Deleted]

Aka why Thori'dal wasn't a big deal.

Edit: Thinking about it, how it's set up is BETTER for us.(At least if they keep the higher ilevels for later bosses plan)
We have a solid bow for starting Mythic, a Mythic weapon off the first boss, and a stronger Mythic weapon for Archimonde progression.

Instead of, say, just a mythic weapon at the start and then one off Archimonde.

It would be good if you just read my post, or better yet, played on PTR yourself. You're free to your opinion, but because it's factually incorrect I'd appreciate if you didn't spread that nonsense at forums.

[seam]

It would be good if you just read my post, or better yet, played on PTR yourself. You're free to your opinion, but because it's factually incorrect I'd appreciate if you didn't spread that nonsense at forums.

1) Apologies for not seeing a random post on the second page. Especially since I was commenting on a post from the first page about why items on the end boss don't matter as much as you might think.

2) I never compared us to other classes. I never said we're better off than other classes. I said having a weapon before the end boss(A 730) is better than a 725 and then a weapon off Archi.

3) ^ Isn't factually incorrect at all.

[Deleted]

1) Apologies for not seeing a random post on the second page. Especially since I was commenting on a post from the first page about why items on the end boss don't matter as much as you might think.

2) I never compared us to other classes. I never said we're better off than other classes. I said having a weapon before the end boss(A 730) is better than a 725 and then a weapon off Archi.

3) ^ Isn't factually incorrect at all.

Not sure what your point is. Every class gets a mythic 730 weapon before mythic Archimonde. Some just also get a 735 from mythic Archimonde. Something which Hunters don't get.

Likewise, every class gets a 715 weapon before heroic Archimonde. Some just also get a 720 weapon from heroic Archimonde. An item level that Hunters have to kill a mythic boss to attain.

It seems to me that you're under the assumption that other classes have to progress with weaker item level, and then get a 'boost' at Archimonde. That's not the case. They have the same item level drops that Hunters have, except they have an extra tier of items on Archimonde as an addition. Why? Because Blizzard's patchwork design. They first made the items, then they assigned them to bosses, and then later on all of a sudden decided to split the instance in 3 tiers of item levels, which screwed everything up. Now what they should do is reshuffle the items and add a few new ones (notably more mail and agi drops to Archimonde), but because a part of the hurt population doesn't even seem to understand the issue (as evidenced in this thread) I doubt they'll consider it high priority.

[Kennyloggins]

The way weapon drops are structured this tier is astronomically better for us than it was in BRF. No idea what anyone is complaining about, except for the entire system being a little dumb.

[Darth Belichick]

This is the stuff that makes me happy I finally quit this game. WoW isn't BLizzard's baby anymore so it's become kind of whatever. 10 years was enough.

[galaxyquest]

This is the stuff that makes me happy I finally quit this game. WoW isn't BLizzard's baby anymore so it's become kind of whatever. 10 years was enough.

Heh, already trying to convince yourself not to come back.

[Darth Belichick]

Ha nah, it's already been a few months and no desire. WoD is even worse than Cataclysm and I didn't think that was possible.

[Pengalor]

The 99% of wow then...

But keep your elitism up, sound business

You can't be serious. You really think 99% of players have even 1 mythic boss down, much less 5? It's probably closer to 5%.

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The way weapon drops are structured this tier is astronomically better for us than it was in BRF. No idea what anyone is complaining about, except for the entire system being a little dumb.

Sure, there are more weapons in places that are better spaced out. Doesn't change the fact that giving one class a 720 weapon off of Archimonde and assuming another will be perfectly fine only being able to get a 715 is completely idiotic.

[PaladinBash]

I don't like this change honestly. As awfully as my spec scales, not being able to have the rights stats really hurts me so I feel you on this one huntards. This is a change that benefits nobody and I think getting warforged/gems made RNG fun without massive power swings. This is just silly.

[Gryphoon]

The 99% of wow then...

But keep your elitism up, sound business

Your "1%" of players in Mythic is dated back in March 27 when 1.4% had downed a Mythic BRF boss. Besides, you can't say that this is only a problematic standpoint from the Mythic perspective. You will have the same thing going from Normal to Heroic.

Also, you can't say X% of the playerbase, because not everyone raids to begin with and some only raid LFR so it won't affect them. You have to look at the players that actually would get in touch with this system and if it affects enough of a portion of them. Not everyone raids Heroic, I know that, but it's heck of alot more than 1% of the players actually doing the content that gets affected. You can take eschatological's statement and change it to Heroic. Now where's your 99%? Please, spare me with "elitism" banter BS.

[Raicky]

The 99% of wow then...

But keep your elitism up, sound business

Not trying to be elitist, but if you're (by you i don't mean YOU personally just to be clear) having trouble getting a boss down 5 months into the tier, your hunter getting a weapon 5 ilvls higher isnt going magically land you a kill.

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You're getting a weapon from the first boss of the instance perfectly itemized for the spec that's most likely looking to be the go-to spec for progression. Not sure what all the fuss is about here.

[Deleted]

I assume, going BM until half way of progression is assured.

The gun (that drops from first boss) has haste and mastery and the spec that would get most out of it it's BM. I assume going in as MM as soon as the raid opens won't be a good idea.

But as time goes by and progress is done you eventually switch to MM for ST.

[Stenulf]

Realx yo
Blizzard just want to reduce the number of hunters
First they remove Fox after that put the most ugiest set even created in WoW history (freking LFR set looks beter)
And ofc why should we have a bow drop from Archimode ???
Just sit and enjoy in middle of damage meters as isual (have no idea from where that person who claims that we do 3x time more damage from others come )

You know that removing fox is a buff for hunters, and hunter stacking on heavy movement fights will be even stronger.
Also going on to the last boss us hunters will have the best possible weapon (if it drops) for the last and hopefully hardest boss in this Raid tier.

[Tehterokkar]

You know that removing fox is a buff for hunters, and hunter stacking on heavy movement fights will be even stronger.
Also going on to the last boss us hunters will have the best possible weapon (if it drops) for the last and hopefully hardest boss in this Raid tier.

Mechanically Archimonde seemed easy with lots of priority target burst required, making MM super strong.

[kary]

Deathwing had the best loot spread for a final boss. Weapons and nothing but. Weapons and trinkets would be nice off Archimonde. Remove all the other items, imo.