Game of Thrones [SPOILERS]

[nocturnus]

Hey lads,

Is anyone else pissed about the direction the GoT TV series has taken? I'm sure you've noticed the massive quality drop since the new season started, but that was expected since Martin stopped writing the scripts. I've read all the books and while I dislike deviations from the original storyline I do understand they can be a necessity for a relatively simple TV series. Especially since it's being released at a faster pace than the books.

This last season though, has taken things too far. Especially episode 6. Seriously, there is so much wrong and so many changes seem completely unnecessary!

What's up with the ridiculous scene of Jaime and Bronn going to Dorne? What about Tyrion and Jorah's trip? Just horrible, yet neither of those are as bad as Sansa's rape scene. I admit, as a father of 3 beautiful girls and a wife that's the spitting image of Sansa, the scene was particularly infuriating, but that aside, it's completely off track!

In the book, Sansa never marries that bastard. Jeyne Poole does, pretending to be Arya so the Boltons have reason to claim the North. Why did they have to change this particularly important, plot defining, aspect of the book?

While small changes and deviations are a necessary evil, this one seems too big and especially unnecessary. It has left me bitter, angry and disappointed. To the point I decided to stop watching the series as a whole.

[KrazyK923]

Do we really need a third thread of people bitching about Sansa's rape?

You stopped watching? Then move on with your life. This just comes across as incessant bitching. And that's already going on in the two threads in the TV/Movie/Books subforum.

[nocturnus]

Do we really need a third thread of people bitching about Sansa's rape?

You stopped watching? Then move on with your life. This just comes across as incessant bitching. And that's already going on in the two threads in the TV/Movie/Books subforum.

Thanks for mentioning that, I had no idea such threads/forums already existed.

While my lack of scrutinous forum research deserved reproach, I'm glad you were the one to do it, since you've been especially kind and classy about it.

[Deleted]

Who cares about sansa's rape, it's a show. Like women in those times were treated good. They're often portrayed as simple fuck tools unless you're lucky a few. If you can't handle the show then don't watch.

[nocturnus]

Who cares about sansa's rape, it's a show. Like women in those times were treated good. They're often portrayed as simple fuck tools unless you're lucky a few. If you can't handle the show then don't watch.

You completely missed the point. But that's okay.

This is the problem when people get overhypped over a good show. they always expect the next season to be better than the one before.

As for the book and difference from TV show, they stated over and over again that they will not follow the book exactly and this was happening since season 1.
Sometimes a change of story is better than following the book like a cult.

This has nothing to do with hype. But that was clear in the OP, right?

The feeling I got, is obviously personal and I mentioned why.

Some changes are needed, yes. I also mentioned that in the OP. Have you read the books though? This change will probably result in a completely new story and from what I've seen so far, the GoT series isn't better off by deviating from the books.

[KrazyK923]

You completely missed the point. But that's okay.

One could argue the exact same about the scene you've apparently quit watching the show over.

[hulkgor]

There was no way they could to a accurate adaptation of the books. Too many characters, too many storylines, so they had to make decisions, small ones at first, that have bigger impact as the story goes on.

George RR Martin posted on his blog about it ( http://grrm.livejournal.com/427713.html ), have a look.

So, the absence of some characters make them 'adapt', and it escalates as stuff goes on. No Jeyne Pool? Marry Sansa, and also kill Mance since he doesn't have to go save her! Jaime doesn't take the Riverlands? Send him to Dorne! Bla bla bla.

So, just take it as it is. Two different tellings of the same story... one complete and original, the other a often weak adaptation, but

"And yes, more and more, they differ. Two roads diverging in the dark of the woods, I suppose… but all of us are still intending that at the end we will arrive at the same place."

That being said, some aspects of the TV Show are just horrendous. The Dorne and Sand Snakes storyline was just appaling, seriously, seemed like a parody of itself, more like an episode of Xena the Warrior Princess... it really bothered me, but hey, screw it.

I'll keep watching though, and i'm pretty sure you will too.

Oh, forgot to add, i don't understand how Sansa's "rape" (which i disagree it was one) affects people so much. We've had physical torture - repeatedly -, heads smashed in, executions, maims, people burn in the stake, and multiple other shocking things... but its a absolute low tone, MILD (considering he usually lets the dogs RAVAGE his other girls, RAVAGE... ) scene like that which bothers people? Get a clue... that's just absurd. It really is. Theon gets his junk cut off, but its Sansa having to consumate her wedding night (which she ACCEPTED TO) that bothers people... Oh, not the multiple stabs on the belly of a pregnant woman in the Red Wedding... Absurd.

[KrazyK923]

I think what's funny about the whole thing is that it's probably gotten the show more publicity than it's had in a while, and I wouldn't be surprised if viewership not only didn't drop, but increased to see where they're going with the Sansa story.

Meanwhile you have the offended corner of the internet pretending its the literal worse possible thing in existence. I mean even one of our Senators commented on it. I guess people will try to take advantage of literally anything, even a fictional television show about a fantasy world of magic and dragons to pretend to prove a point.

[nocturnus]

One could argue the exact same about the scene you've apparently quit watching the show over.

I thought you didn't want to participate in this useless and redundant thread?

Well, I'm happy you changed your mind. Do tell, how did I misinterpret this scene?

There was no way they could to a accurate adaptation of the books. Too many characters, too many storylines, so they had to make decisions, small ones at first, that have bigger impact as the story goes on.

George RR Martin posted on his blog about it ( http://grrm.livejournal.com/427713.html ), have a look.

So, the absence of some characters make them 'adapt', and it escalates as stuff goes on. No Jeyne Pool? Marry Sansa, and also kill Mance since he doesn't have to go save her! Jaime doesn't take the Riverlands? Send him to Dorne! Bla bla bla.

So, just take it as it is. Two different tellings of the same story... one complete and original, the other a often weak adaptation, but

"And yes, more and more, they differ. Two roads diverging in the dark of the woods, I suppose… but all of us are still intending that at the end we will arrive at the same place."

That being said, some aspects of the TV Show are just horrendous. The Dorne and Sand Snakes storyline was just appaling, seriously, seemed like a parody of itself, more like an episode of Xena the Warrior Princess... it really bothered me, but hey, screw it.

I'll keep watching though, and i'm pretty sure you will too.

Oh, forgot to add, i don't understand how Sansa's "rape" (which i disagree it was one) affects people so much. We've had physical torture - repeatedly -, heads smashed in, executions, maims, people burn in the stake, and multiple other shocking things... but its a absolute low tone, MILD (considering he usually lets the dogs RAVAGE his other girls, RAVAGE... ) scene like that which bothers people? Get a clue... that's just absurd. It really is. Theon gets his junk cut off, but its Sansa having to consumate her wedding night (which she ACCEPTED TO) that bothers people... Oh, not the multiple stabs on the belly of a pregnant woman in the Red Wedding... Absurd.

Makes sense. As for Sansa's scene, it affects me for the reasons mentioned in the OP. That said, I find all rape scenes disturbing. As for the series, I will stop watching.

[KrazyK923]

Naw I'm just waiting for it to be locked while waiting for the same usual GenOT posters to rush in and talk about how terrible the scene was.

Feel free to go in either other thread to see the arguments why the scene wasn't the worst thing in the universe and isn't anywhere near what people are characterizing it as on tumblr.

[s_bushido]

Ugh. It's like every time a character gets raped in a show about medieval warfare and intrigue the freaking world ends.

You want to know why they've changed so much? Because they've had to try and adapt books where the author seems more interested in describing every miniscule detail of what the characters are wearing and the lineage of the ducks used to make their meals than actually moving the story forward. To say nothing of whether or not he's ever actually going to get around to finishing the story himself.

[KrazyK923]

more interested in describing every miniscule detail of what the characters are wearing and the lineage of the ducks used to make their meals than actually moving the story forward

Bahahahahaha, kudos. Haven't legitimately laughed from something I've seen on here in a while. Its so true.

[Adam Jensen]

Do we really need a third thread of people bitching about Sansa's rape?

You stopped watching? Then move on with your life. This just comes across as incessant bitching. And that's already going on in the two threads in the TV/Movie/Books subforum.

Sansa married a psychopath.

Psychopath rapes her.

Why does this upset people? RAMSEY IS A PSYCHOPATH. By all the Seven, he chopped of Theon's dick for god's sake. What did people expect? That'd he'd treat her well? That he'd be the soul of a gentleman?

No, he wants a Bolton in that bitch so he can claim Winterfell before his dear mother spouts out a true-born brother.

Not to mention that Jon Snow's sister getting raped will galvanize Jon into action, causing the night's watch to turn against Jon, and assassinate him.

[Deleted]

I think it was a pretty good scene, shock factor was definitely at 10.
It wasn't really rape either, she married him, knew they were gonna have sex, she undressed rather slowly, he didn't wanna wait, he had rough sex with her, she cried because it hurts. I wonder if she expected Ramsay to make sweet passionate love to her..

They seemed to have toned down the sex thouhg, in season 1 you would have probably seen the "marital rape" like with Daenerys (?) Spelling.

[nocturnus]

Naw I'm just waiting for it to be locked while waiting for the same usual GenOT posters to rush in and talk about how terrible the scene was.

Feel free to go in either other thread to see the arguments why the scene wasn't the worst thing in the universe and isn't anywhere near what people are characterizing it as on tumblr.

I'm sure the universe has worse things for us.

If mods will lock the thread it's for good reason. I already apologised for posting this in the wrong forums.

You still haven't told me how I missed the point of that scene. I'm curious, seriously.

Sansa married a psychopath.

Psychopath rapes her.

Why does this upset people? RAMSEY IS A PSYCHOPATH. By all the Seven, he chopped of Theon's dick for god's sake. What did people expect? That'd he'd treat her well? That he'd be the soul of a gentleman?

No, he wants a Bolton in that bitch so he can claim Winterfell before his dear mother spouts out a true-born brother.

That's not the point though. Theon's dick got cut off in the books as well. Sansa never married him and this particular change, might (and probably will) make the story deviate on too many layers to correct, later on.

[KrazyK923]

Why does this upset people? RAMSEY IS A PSYCHOPATH. By all the Seven, he chopped of Theon's dick for god's sake. What did people expect? That'd he'd treat her well? That he'd be the soul of a gentleman?

No, he wants a Bolton in that bitch so he can claim Winterfell before his dear mother spouts out a true-born brother.

No, the scene should have upset people. It was incredibly upsetting. However that does not mean it was the only reason it was included, which seems to be the argument of people who think things they find detestable in fantasy should be removed to protect their sensibilities.

Its just fun to watch suddenly now that people get upset at terrible things that happen on the show. Its not like Dany was raped in literally the first episode by Khal Drogo, when she wasn't raped in the books. Or when Talisa's pregnant stomach was repeatedly stabbed. Or when Theon's cock was cut off after his season-long torture porn sequences.

[announced]

i wasnt that shocked about it. I was hoping Littlefinger would ride back to save her, but then remembered hes probly gathering the knights of the vale for a later assault on winterfel/ moat Cailyn. Im surprised Ramsay made Reek watch. or really, wanted him to watch. but i guess him being a pychopath has something to do with it. ive never read past book 1, more or less because i had already watched all of season 1 2 3 and i was like.. oh i already know wat happens next. anyway I feel like yes the story may deviate from the books, but isnt that exciting? instead of having everything happen to the letter, you have 2 completely different endings. like how some people get pissed off at a movie ending the wrong way and feel like it should be different like in the books? similar indeed.

[Adam Jensen]

No, the scene should have upset people.

I mean sure, people should feel terrible for what Ramsey did to Sansa, but people shouldn't be surprised by it is what I meant.

[KrazyK923]

Oh yeah not surprising at all. And acted, choreographed, and shot amazingly well.

The part of me that enjoys schadenfreude kind of wished they just re-created Jeyne Poole's scene to see even more head explodes.

[s_bushido]

That's not the point though. Theon's dick got cut off in the books as well. Sansa never married him and this particular change, might (and probably will) make the story deviate on too many layers to correct, later on.

Refresh my memory: what has Sansa done up until this point in the books...? Built snow castles with the Arryn boy? So many layers there...