New GPU recommendation

[acegaming90]

hello

so i have had some issues with GPU i bought over a year ago so i sent it back , now they refund me 300 euroes or choice to pick another GPU and obviously i will pick a new one.

so asking which GPU people recommend in 300 euro range?

my old one was:
1SAPPHIRE RADEON HD 7950 OC VAPOR-X, 3072 MBDDR5, DP, HDDMI

[Lathais]

nVidia GTX970

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nVidia GTX970

Problem with that is that a 970 will cost around 350.

A 290 should be around the 300 euro, or if you want to pay a bit extra look at the 970

[acegaming90]

its a long time investment so i guess 50 euros wont matter if its best of best in that price range ?

[Deleted]

Well for 1080p a R9 290 is around 30% better and gtx970 about 45% better. So depending in your country how much the price difference is you. Just to make sure whats your exact psu model? You'd need 40-50 more watts for the R9 290 over your current.

[acegaming90]

XFX Core Edition PRO Netzteil - 550 Watt


heres full set up

Tower :BitFenix Shinobi Midi-Tower
Ram :Avexir Core Series blue LED, DDR3-1600, CL9 - 8 GB Kit
Cpu cooling:Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo CPU
SSD:Samsung 840 Series 2,5 Zoll SSD, SATA 6G - 120GB
HDD:Western Digital Blue, SATA 6G, 3,5 Zoll - 1 TB
GPU :SAPPHIRE RADEON HD 7950 OC VAPOR-X, 3072 MB DDR5, DP, HDMI this is my old card
CPU :Intel Core i5-4670K 3,4 GHz (Haswell) Sockel 1150 - boxed
monitor :ASUS VS239HR, 58,4 cm (23 Zoll) - HDMI, DVI, VGA
MB : ASUS Z87-A, Intel Z87 Mainboard - Sockel 1150

[Remilia]

its a long time investment so i guess 50 euros wont matter if its best of best in that price range ?

If the current events are anything to say, that long term investment is going to last a year once pascal comes out as maxwell support will get dropped like a rock.

[Deleted]

If the current events are anything to say, that long term investment is going to last a year once pascal comes out as maxwell support will get dropped like a rock.

No offense or anything, but if i had to guess, op probably has no damn idea what you meant, what is maxwell or pascal
Break it down to what is worth and what doesn't

[Remilia]

Haha okay good point.

Also is it a typo on the last one cause it sounds kinda odd and not sure how to answer.

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I made a weird schadenfreude induced post here.
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post33959597

Honestly I would consider a 290x or a 290 at the moment or wait for the AMD's 3xx stuff.

At a point I wasn't really biased towards one brand or another, there's a R9 290, R9 280x, GTX 770, and a 560Ti sitting around in this house. Except recent events really shifted that. AMD's card has been progessing in performance, even older ones, while NVidia's has been regressing over the years of driver updates.

And simply put for the sake of it.
Kepler = GTX 6xx and 7xx (except 750).
Maxwell = GTX 9xx / 750Ti
Pascal = what's after Maxwell.

[acegaming90]

thanks for the insight , still pretty clueless about these stuff as i dont have a GPU right now i need to get one around 300 euros , but curious how long till pascal are out? maybe i can wait , maybe not

[Remilia]

Pascal is out next year supposedly. No idea when or if there's going to be any delays.

The next AMD ones are coming out in a few weeks supposedly.

[Deleted]

thanks for the insight , still pretty clueless about these stuff as i dont have a GPU right now i need to get one around 300 euros , but curious how long till pascal are out? maybe i can wait , maybe not

Don't believe any release dates have been announced yet. An optimistic guess would be March/April of next year for reference models and then perhaps August or September for non-reference model releases(You'd want to wait for the non-reference models as those are tweaked for maximum performance in terms speed, stability and cooling). It's certainly not a waste to invest in a GTX 970 right now and it's not going to suddenly become dogshit when Pascal gpu's hit the market. It will just be comparatively bad but it will still have good performance in games for years to come.

[Lathais]

Problem with that is that a 970 will cost around 350.

A 290 should be around the 300 euro, or if you want to pay a bit extra look at the 970

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B00NFFAW50/?tag=pcp0f-21

Not near $350, it's under his budget

[acegaming90]

is that the best i could get ? or any amd GPU recommendation ? what about R9 290X ?

[Lathais]

At the current conversion rate that card is over $400. In the actual US it's still over $300.

Well, he did not say what country, that is UK Amazon though. In the US, it's barely over $300, there is a promo right now and it can be had for $309.99.

[acegaming90]

does country matter? i mean i said Euros no pounds or dollars , i cant buy from my country anyways as its overpriced here on shops so i will be picking it up from

Caseking.de or Amazon.fr etc

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also could anyone of you find the exact card you want to recommend to me on amazon.fr or caseking?
thanks

[Remilia]

The 970 beats it in every category, regardless of what Remilia says.

At least try to back up your stuff.
On a performance front, they're the same at 1920x1080.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/G...960_OC/27.html

On a consumer front, NVidia is very consumer unfriendly.
You can argue that it is just business, and many people do, sure, but that's business that benefits them, not us.
We shouldn't be supporting segregation for games cause one company has more money to throw around.
We shouldn't be supporting monopolistic practices to attempt to sabotage the competition.
We shouldn't be supporting them neglect for a generation old product. Nicely put here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...7&postcount=27
We shouldn't be supporting a company that takes a feature away, later recants and reimplement it, just to silently take it away again. See below on the laptop OC.
The company that was touted to have better driver support is getting worse and worse, see below again.

It is very hard for me to recommend a company that is in every way trying to screw us.

Even then, without hairworks it's completely screwed though.

http://techbuyersguru.com/hotdealsblog/?p=4119
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/P...tcher_3/3.html
http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages..._review,5.html
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/The-Wi...marks-1159196/
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-benc...-fps-benchmark

The fact that 780 is being very closely butthuggled (don't care if it's not a real word!) by the older and objectively weaker cards is very disconcerting.

Some have reported that going back a few drivers (347) is increasing their performance, some not, no idea what merit there is as no one has done a proper review yet. Apparently this issue already spanned past few games from FC4, Project CARS and now Witcher 3.
Either A. Neglect or B. Direct sabotage. B is conspiracy theory so take that as what you will, but neglect really seems to be what's happening.
If this is a trend to continue to be seen from NVidia I can't in good conscience recommend an NVidia card if it's going to be abandoned by them one generation later while AMD has in basis the same GCN core and are running better and better.
A joke was made, sort of.
2013 R9 285 (forgot which, probably 280x but whatever) < 770
2014 R9 285 = 770.
2015 R9 285 > 780. No, not a typo.
Then there's the driver issues now...
https://forums.geforce.com/default/t...ased-5-18-15-/

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All aboard the schadenfreude train, or at least I am cause I have nothing better to do at the moment.
http://www.techpowerup.com/212769/nv...rclocking.html

Tetrisgoat pays attention a lot to tech obviously, and really looking back at all the things, yes this is true.

But I do find it funny how GTX 680 (my card, incidentally) launched at 131% of the capacity of the 7950, and now it has 99% of it.
And they say AMD drivers and their overtime driver-support and driver optimisation sucks. What.

Performance degradation is bigger on NVidia's recent cards than they are with AMD's.

I love facts and all and I won't lie to just say they're not true, but I'm also a consumer of products and morally will basically go "Fuck this shit".

[acegaming90]

ah sorry if i started some fight here just a guy who need help finding a gpu!

[Lathais]

does country matter? i mean i said Euros no pounds or dollars , i cant buy from my country anyways as its overpriced here on shops so i will be picking it up from

Caseking.de or Amazon.fr etc

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also could anyone of you find the exact card you want to recommend to me on amazon.fr or caseking?
thanks

Yes, country absolutely matters, unless of course you provide specific sites to choose from. I am a stupid American and can not keep track of what countries use what currency. Also, prices vary from country to country. I will try to look through those sites a little later when I get home to find something.

[Kagthul]

At least try to back up your stuff.
On a performance front, they're the same at 1920x1080.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/G...960_OC/27.html

On a consumer front, NVidia is very consumer unfriendly.
You can argue that it is just business, and many people do, sure, but that's business that benefits them, not us.
We shouldn't be supporting segregation for games cause one company has more money to throw around.
We shouldn't be supporting monopolistic practices to attempt to sabotage the competition.
We shouldn't be supporting them neglect for a generation old product. Nicely put here: http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost...7&postcount=27
We shouldn't be supporting a company that takes a feature away, later recants and reimplement it, just to silently take it away again. See below on the laptop OC.
The company that was touted to have better driver support is getting worse and worse, see below again.

It is very hard for me to recommend a company that is in every way trying to screw us.



Tetrisgoat pays attention a lot to tech obviously, and really looking back at all the things, yes this is true.

Performance degradation is bigger on NVidia's recent cards than they are with AMD's.

I love facts and all and I won't lie to just say they're not true, but I'm also a consumer of products and morally will basically go "Fuck this shit".

The hyperbole and anecdotal evidence is strong with this one.

Infracted