Alabama's failed anti-immigration deportation law

[Atrea]

That's nothing, lots of people do 12 hour shifts. Even people with good jobs do 12 hour shifts.

Yeah, and they're:

a) Paid very well for that (including overtime pay for working more than 8 hours in a day, where applicable)

b) Typically still only working 40 hour workweeks, if that. (For instance, a doctor could do a 12 hour shift, but then only do a few 6 hour shifts after, for a 30 hour workweek.)

c) Not 'hard physical labour', generally speaking. (Exceptions to this rule are typically great examples of a and b.)

[Cthulhu 2020]

This is pretty funny, but I think this also says something about the work itself. It seems inhumane. From 7 AM to sundown? So if sundown is even 6 PM (being generous), then that's 11 hours of hard physical labor. To me, even if that includes breaks, that's not right either even though the law was probably crazy too. The solution to the economy can't just be to continue to allow illegal/poor immigrants to be abused even if they're technically willing to tolerate it.

Regardless, this does show it was necessary to employ them in the current economy. This is an example of a problem fixing itself in the worst possible way and because the proposed solution was so goddamned stupid.

Apparently they're paid by how many crates of produce they manage to collect and load into trucks each day, kind of like commission work.

But either way, it would seem mexicans are much harder workers than a lot of natively born american citizens. If hard work to make your money is prized, then a certain political party should be wanting them to come in in droves. Xenophobic nativism however is a powerful force.

[Hooked]

Yeah, and they're:

a) Paid very well for that (including overtime pay for working more than 8 hours in a day, where applicable)

b) Typically still only working 40 hour workweeks, if that. (For instance, a doctor could do a 12 hour shift, but then only do a few 6 hour shifts after, for a 30 hour workweek.)

c) Not 'hard physical labour', generally speaking. (Exceptions to this rule are typically great examples of a and b.)

What difference does it make to your body how much you are paid?. You want to get paid more do like I did and work full time loading trailers at ups and go to school at night full time. If you cant do that then you aren't really trying.

[Starscream101]

'Top dollar' in the case of shitty and/or dangerous work is disproportionate to the actual amount of work.

If there weren't migrant workers, they would mechanise. That's how machine harvestable tomatoes were developed, after all.

There is a lot of farm work that can not be mechanise such as picking apples oranges other fruits and vegetables they bruise or it would just tear the food up.

[Elegiac]

There is a lot of farm work that can not be mechanise such as picking apples oranges other fruits and vegetables they bruise or it would just tear the food up.

This was once that case of tomatoes as well.

Any manual labor can be mechanized. The issue is its cost effectiveness versus human labor.

[Starscream101]

This is pretty funny, but I think this also says something about the work itself. It seems inhumane. From 7 AM to sundown? So if sundown is even 6 PM (being generous), then that's 11 hours of hard physical labor. To me, even if that includes breaks, that's not right either even though the law was probably crazy too. The solution to the economy can't just be to continue to allow illegal/poor immigrants to be abused even if they're technically willing to tolerate it.

Regardless, this does show it was necessary to employ them in the current economy. This is an example of a problem fixing itself in the worst possible way and because the proposed solution was so goddamned stupid.

Farm work is not the same as your working at home depot or wal-mart or office jobs the farm does not stop needing watering spraying and worked on with live stock and plants. That is why there are no work hour restrictions on it. Because I might have to turn on the wind machines or we need to get this food picked before the freeze or need these plants to get the water they need. Farm work can be a 24 hour day job.

[theostrichsays]

This was once that case of tomatoes as well.

Any manual labor can be mechanized. The issue is its cost effectiveness versus human labor.

To be fair though they had to breed a new type of tomato for it. Not saying it is impossible for other crops, but it isn't as simple as if they don't have labor to make a machine.

[Starscream101]

This was once that case of tomatoes as well.

Any manual labor can be mechanized. The issue is its cost effectiveness versus human labor.

let me know how they would get all the fruit from inside the tree or even know where its at. Tomato plants you can destroy getting them you cant do the same with trees or grapes or some other foods if they could they all ready would have. Some things machines cant do maybe in another 50 years someone might come up with robots that can climb ladders and not damage the tress and food but that is a very long way off. Its like Apples when you pick a Apple and you put it in your bag say you lean on the ladder with the bag you will bruise the apple and then no one wants it there is alot of things than picking some off a tree and dumping it some things need care and machines cant do that right now maybe ever.

[Atrea]

What difference does it make to your body how much you are paid?. You want to get paid more do like I did and work full time loading trailers at ups and go to school at night full time. If you cant do that then you aren't really trying.

What an ignorant thing to say. Not everyone is equally physical capable; to suggest that someone who is not able to do such a job is simply not "really trying" is asinine, and such statements speak poorly of your character and judgement.

I'm glad you were able to have a support system in place that allowed you to accomplish what you did; don't act like a) everyone has that, and b) everyone should do what you did. Actions aren't correct based solely on the virtue that you conducted them, you know.

Finally, there comes a point where one can say "$X isn't worth the hard labour." The value of X may vary from person to person, but to suggest that X should never be anything above zero is, simply put, crass.

Disagree? Come and wash my car for fifty cents.

If you can't do that, then you really aren't trying.