Leftists that oppose the death penalty but love leftists who murder people?

[KrazyK923]

Wh---what? What is even the OP talking about? Seems like ridiculous false equivalence.

[NYC17]

Wh---what? What is even the OP talking about? Seems like ridiculous false equivalence.

Eh, its Grummgug. Don't think about it too hard; he didn't.

[Thage]

Wh---what? What is even the OP talking about? Seems like ridiculous false equivalence.

It's Grummug. False equivalencies are how he reconciles the cognitive dissonance.

[Dsonsion]

So what you are saying is that, until it enters the world it has no soul? Just pure meat? So that is why they kick, suck their thumb, etc all while in the womb, they are just a slab of meat until they are release into the world

You're so terribly misinformed. Look, first, one can't possibly act on a legal level using terms such as soul. The existence of a soul can't be proved true or false, and therefore is not a fact on which any legislating body should base its decisions.
Also, you might have been purposefully ignoring this the whole discussion, but they don't abort any foetuses with a developed, active nervous system. So why is it you keep calling it murder, and appealing to the suffering of the embryo, when it really doesn't fell anything?
Uh, so many members of the American conservative right seem to have gone through a divorce with reality, putting the discourse of their party before hard-proven facts. It's almost as if the USA was not a first world country with supposedly educated people, having so many shills running around.

[Rukh]

it is indeed, yes lol

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You can make a claim about Castro, I would agree.... But not Che.. Che died way too early to be possibly judged outside of revolutionary/war campaigns. There is no such condition for him applicable.

That's false. The war ended in 1959 and in the following years he executed hundreds of political enemies for Castro's dictatorship. Guevera was executed in 1967, 8 years after the war against Batista ended.

[Dsonsion]

That's false. The war ended in 1959 and in the following years he executed hundreds of political enemies for Castro's dictatorship.

Not hundreds, but about one hundred, perhaps less. Still, he was a murderer with very dogmatic viewpoints. I still can't believe people idolise him. He was a criminal who tried to stir up conflict everywhere he went, even in those places where he wasn't wanted. He didn't like people coming to terms with the establishment and improving their lives peacefully, as he was a staunch promoter of bloody revolutions. Not a man of my liking, really.

[Independent voter]

The left and right really aren't as different as they think.

[Mrbleedinggums]

Here is the one that gets me, Leftist that oppose the death penalty but are for abortion.

They don't want to put someone to death that has killed, raped, etc...they want tax payers to keep them up the rest of their life but they are all for killing an innocent child.

That has always confused me about the left.

Republicans are against abortion, but they're for eliminating any aid to families in need, death penalty, eliminating education budgets, and lowering minimum wage so people won't be able to live. They just want to torment another soul in this world, but no the Democrats are the worse of the two, right?

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Um....wow. This is the world we live in......awesome.

Abortion is not a "human right", no matter how much you want it to be. A fetus being categorized as a human being is debatable, but the fact that you know what it will become....A HUMAN BEING...is the sick part.

So is masturbating mass murder then? After all, all those sperm have the chance to merge with an egg and create a zygote.

[Dsonsion]

Um....wow. This is the world we live in......awesome.

Abortion is not a "human right", no matter how much you want it to be. A fetus being categorized as a human being is debatable, but the fact that you know what it will become....A HUMAN BEING...is the sick part.

Oh, but how sickening! Doesn't the fact that the egg lost each time a woman has her period or a man "has fun by his own" also seem sickening to you? So many things that could become human lives, and yet are lost.
Abortion is not contemplated in the Declaration of Human right, but its denial is a violation of the right of women who would submit themselves to it willingly.

[Nadiru]

So is masturbating mass murder then? After all, all those sperm have the chance to merge with an egg and create a zygote.

No, and here's the bit where masturbation is exactly like abortion: The fetus and sperm have the capacity to become a human under the proper circumstances. It is inconsistent to be anti-masturbation and pro-abortion or pro-abortion and anti-tallywacking on the grounds that one of them is murder. It is consistent, however, to be for or against both, which falls neatly with the conservative Christian and liberal free love mindsets.

And now you know why the debate rages on! Both sides are "right" in that they are internally consistent.

[Shibito]

If the left is bad because of Castro, does that mean the right is bad because of Hitler?

Hitler was a socialist, try again

[Independent voter]

A lot of people are left wing in their teens and twenties. Then they move to the right. Why? They get a wife and kids, a job, car payments, a mortgage, and they worry about the future for the first time in their lives. They shift to the right and start voting.

[unbound]

Not a real leftist, but here are my thoughts:

The death penalty is pointless. It actually costs more money than lifetime incarceration, is known to have killed innocent people, is proven to not deter crime, and is primarily used for vengeance (not something that should be encouraged).

In regards to Fidel Castro, he took over from a dictator. Is that really any different than the US Revolutionary War? His government hasn't been the best, but can you objectively say that the US government is perfect too? Both Cuba and the US has supported wars around the world. Both Cuba and the US has multiple human-rights abuses (Cuba definitely has more). Both Cuba and the US has people that have left their home countries because of the conditions (typically economic).

As for Che Guevara, he did a few good things, and more bad things. The fact that some people overlook his bad things in favor of the good things he did is eerily similar to how people view President Bush II...he did far more bad things than good things, but conservatives turn a blind eye to the bad things and portray him as some awesome force for good. Both sides are idiots, but, in the words of George Carlin, "Think of how stupid the average person is, and realize half of them are stupider than that."

[Dsonsion]

A lot of people are left wing in their teens and twenties. Then they move to the right. Why? They get a wife and kids, a job, car payments, a mortgage, and they worry about the future for the first time in their lives. They shift to the right and start voting.

Which is sad, but true in my cases. Reminds me a bit of some softcore atheists that turned very religious when old because of the fear of dying.
Gladly, neither has happened to any of my relatives, and I doubt it'll happen to me.

[themightysven]

I don't support Fidel Castro or Che Guevara,
as for the Death Penalty there's no way right now to be absolutely certain, and that's not good enough.
In Texas since 2000 at least three innocent people have been executed, two because Rick Perry wanted to look tough on crime and 1 because Rick Perry wanted to cover up some unrelated fishy investigations related to the governor's mansion fire.
Why isn't it better to sentence them to life without parole? it's less expensive and no chance of executing innocent people?

[Televators]

Political partisans are generally among the dullest and most easily manipulated morons on the planet. Also among the most dangerous.

[Mihalik]

I'm a "lefty".

I oppose the death penalty because I don't believe that society should stoop to the level of the murderers it is supposedly punishing, it doesn't deter crime, and our justice system is not infallible, but death is final.

I think Marxism and the regional or periodical variations of it like Soviet Marxism, Maoism, Cuban/Latin American style populism/marxism are all lunacies.

I think Che Guevara was an incompetent buffoon with the occasional vicious streak so characteristic to "Revolutionaries" who think that -the end does justify the means.

Castro is just as bad as Batista before him. We just don't vilify or even talk about Batista because he happened to be a US puppet.

Your point is moot OP. The world is not black and white.

I hate Castro and I hate the moron college student with the Che Guevara T shirt.

Yet I'm pro Cuba and Cuban people, and the embargo OBVIOUSLY failed and didn't achieve anything beyond making the average Cuban destitute. It's time to change the nature of US-Cuban relationship. The Castro regime survived this long largely due to being able to cast the US as the Great Evil Enemy from which they were protecting Cuba. Without this scapegoat to blame for all the shortfalls of their governance, how long do you think the Castro regime will survive? Especially without Castro himself? He is going to die one of these days.

[Kryctos]

Or would, if Hitler had been at all right wing. That would be hard to reconcile with his continuous citation of American progressives/socialists for philosophical support for his policies, up to and including the final solution.

Lets see, homophobic, racist, ultranationalistic, hey sounds like the us right except for the dead jews and the gas chambers.

[tj119]

Funniest "Leftist" I know is my wife's best friend. She is the epitome of "Libtard". She is completely against circumcision of baby boys, but believes parents should be allowed to get their children sex changes.

/facepalm

[ezgeze]

According to the left:

Convicted murderer receiving the death penalty feeling pain after being injected.........cruel and unusual punishment.

Innocent baby at 20-24 weeks being chopped up inside the womb feeling pain...........woman's right to privacy and health care.

The truth is the left are hypocrites.