Quote Originally Posted by Vago View Post
Its a start, do you see what over taxing them does?
Over taxing is a mater of opinion, which as opinion you can correlate with anything you want. The whole correlation does not mean causation plays a role here. The reality is not just taxes, but based around the cost of doing business. This includes taxes, paying your employees, healthcare and general expanses. In order for there to be too much taxing, the tax would have to be the crux of what creates the biggest difference. If your competition is China, the comparison in taxes and regulation of a country calling it self communist, should be self evident as not being the crux of the issue.

That's when reality should butt heads with ideology. Lowering taxes to 0 on manufacturing, will not bring back jobs because, our pay is still substantially higher than places like China. So, in order to compete, we would have to lower taxes and lower individual compensation. Lowering individual compensation would lower living standards across the country, which would be compounded by necessary cuts in budget as tax revenues would plummet from both the employer and employee sides. It would make America worse and is a race to the bottom for jobs, that in the end do the opposite of their intent. Jobs that lower living standards by lowering compensation, shouldn't be welcomed, if the goal is a better country and not cheaper to run business.

Remember the union thing you brought up, this is where it came into play. Thanks to unions, the working standards in U.S. were/are far greater than China. Something that should be a positive. I do not believe that working people should be treated like shit to meet the standards of places like China. So, you are correct, unions forced business to provide a better living standard for it's employees. As you suggest, unions did the same thing that increasing taxes does, it increased the cost of doing business. This is once again where ideology often screws logic. Having better living standards is a good thing. It makes the country better and it makes the people better, while creating greater tax revenues through the employees. It's a waterfall of win for the people........ but, it increases cost to do business.

Now, it should be clear that the issue is cost of doing business. So, we have two options... Sink the country down to China's standards by racing to the bottom to have lower living standards than China, but with jobs, or we profiteer on US being the top consumer in the world. We increase taxes on those taking job overseas, until one of two things happens. The jobs return due to cost of business being equal in taxation versus meeting US standards... or... Increased taxes would increase the quality of our infrastructure, creating jobs related to fixing roads, building windmills and damns... and thus, increasing all of our living standards. It's your choice, swim down to the bottom or up to the light... Just remember, drowning the country to get jobs back, defeats the point of getting jobs back...

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