2014 Gamergate: "If you want games without hyper sexualized female characters and representation, then learn to code!"
2023: "What's with all these massively successful games with ugly (realistic) women? How could this have happened?!"
Nice strawman fallacy.
If you support a clown like trump because you hear one nugget of what you want to hear, and ignore all the crazy around it, then may god have mercy on your soul.
Like I said, all the republicans cringing at Trump's rhetoric should understand that this is how the world at large views them. But it's a somewhat chilling thought to think that people with the right to vote agree with his insanity.
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Yeah, I think asserting that Mexico should pay for their own border fence because you assume that all mexican immigrants are dirty, filthy money-mugging rapists and drug pedlars is a backwards-ass thought.
Hey, I'm telling you something you don't want to hear. That makes me eligible for president, right?
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...nts-and-crime/
Donald Trump's two-week-old campaign has been pretty good at sticking to two core points: defending the candidate's anti-immigrant remarks at his announcement and pretending that the companies that responded to those comments by ending their business relationships with him were, instead, rejected by him first.
As a result, we've gotten a wonderful look at the unassailable way in which Trump's mind works: He's always right, until he's not, in which case he was never wrong. You were.
Take the statements that started all of Trump's troubles; they came within the first few minutes of his campaign kick-off, after he rambled for a bit about the crowd and the Islamic State and Japan.
"When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best," he said. "They're sending people that have lots of problems, and they're bringing those problems with us. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists."
With all of the furor that resulted, it's worth noting the two hallmarks of classic Donald Trump that emerged from his response. First, he unfailingly stood by the comments, despite the fallout. And second, he's wrong.
On CNN on Wednesday night, he offered a defense to anchor Don Lemon.
"If you look at the statistics, of people coming ... I didn't say about Mexico, I say the illegal immigrants —if you look at the statistics on rape, on crime, on everything, coming in illegally to the country, they're mind-boggling," he told Lemon.
Every part of that is incorrect. He did say his comments about Mexico — explicitly. And data show that new immigrants — including illegal immigrants — are actually less likely to commit crime, not more.
To wit:
—"Foreign-born individuals exhibit remarkably low levels of involvement in crime across their life course." (Bianca Bersani, University of Massachusetts, 2014. Published in Justice Quarterly.)
Citing Bersani's work, Pew Research created this graph, showing crime rates among the immigrant community.
[I]"The crime rate among first-generation immigrants — those who came to this country from somewhere else — is significantly lower than the overall crime rate and that of the second generation," they write.
Since undocumented immigrants are more than a quarter of the immigrant population, it's nearly impossible that the overall-immigrant crime rate could be so much lower if the undocumented-immigrant crime rate were significantly higher.
— "There’s essentially no correlation between immigrants and violent crime." (Jörg Spenkuch, Northwestern University, 2014. Published by the university.) He did find a small correlation between immigration and property crime, but only a slight one.
— "mmigrants are underrepresented in California prisons compared to their representation in the overall population. In fact, U.S.-born adult men are incarcerated at a rate over two-and-a-half times greater than that of foreign-born men." (Public Policy Institute of California, 2008.)
— "[D]ata from the census and a wide range of other empirical studies show that for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants, even those who are the least educated. This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans and Guatemalans, who make up the bulk of the undocumented population." (Ruben Rumbaut, University of California, 2008. Published by the Police Foundation.)
— "Analyses of data collected from four Southwest states and the U.S. Census show that the perceived size of the undocumented immigrant population, more so than the actual size of the immigrant population and economic conditions, is positively associated with perceptions of undocumented immigrants as a criminal threat." (Xia Wang, Arizona State University, 2014. Published in Criminology.)
How did Trump get a simple point so wrong? Consider the response he offered Lemon on his most contentious assertion. Trump offers a sort of ontological rationalization for the "rapists" claim: People are being raped, ergo it's the immigrants' fault.
Trump cited an article from Fusion. "Eighty percent of the women coming in ... " he says, trailing off. "You have to take a look at these stories. ... It's unbelievable, when you look at what's going on. All I'm doing is telling the truth."
Lemon correctly points out that the story was about immigrant women being raped. "Well," Trump replies, "someone's doing the raping, Don." In apparent disbelief, Trump adds, "How can you say such a thing?"
And there you go. Trump completely misreads a media story, turns it into a mushy stat in his head, and uses that as an excuse to bash immigrants without cause. The stat is nowhere near accurate, but that doesn't matter. When he's presented with accurate data, he offers a weird rationale — and then criticizes his critic. Perfect.
In the wake of his announcement, we dubbed Trump to be "un-fact-checkable" for the simple reason that he so often operates outside the bounds of logical discourse. Same here. Trump has septupled down on his bad argument — assuming, as has happened so many times before, that it will all go away.
It probably won't until, almost invariably, his candidacy does.
Enjoy the reading. Also
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Truthiness
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This SHOULD be the definitive end to this thread. But unfortunately, people like Trump and those who support them don't actually look at facts or data... Just as truthiness would hold, they don't think about things, which would require looking at evidence that would prove them wrong, they feel about things, and what they feel is fed to them through anecdotal evidence and what their favorite talking head is spouting. And that way they can feel that all their indignation at any myriad of problems are being caused by whatever the loudest idiot is shouting about is the problem. And that idiot, at this moment, is Donald Trump.
“Do not lose time on daily trivialities. Do not dwell on petty detail. For all of these things melt away and drift apart within the obscure traffic of time. Live well and live broadly. You are alive and living now. Now is the envy of all of the dead.” ~ Emily3, World of Tomorrow
Words to live by.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/politi...cisco-killing/
A woman was shot to death at a tourist location in sf by an illegal alien who had been deported 5 times already and had 9 felony convictions. As she lay dying her last words were for her father to help her. Very sad story.
Why because they're illegal? Seems like a flimsy reason. Many of them are quite upstanding, I mean there are plenty of first generation (new) immigrant towns (and towns with quite a few illegals) have crime rates typically lower than national average. So I mean what are you scared of? Law abiding immigrants?
Sorry but you're a tad bit misinformed. Joe Illegal who is making $15 an hour (something that most illegals don't LMAO) pays taxes but doesn't collect state or federal refunds because he's using an illegal SSN to get the job. Most illegals make min wage and are paid under the table. Also they don't get "free dental & medical". They can go to state/federally funded hospitals to get emergency care if they have no insurance. They don't get dental as that's not an emergency & all dentists require payment upfront even in "emergency" situations if you have no insurance. Also Joe Illegal can't get food stamps, WIC, or any other food aide because those require proof of citizenship (social security card, driver's license, etc) and they don't qualify for Section 8 (subsidized housing) because again they require proof of citizenship.
Yes because they're illegal. They can go about becoming citizens legally. Letting them stay here because they are nice people is a flimsy reason breaking the law isn't.
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He gets paid cash off the books. In NJ most make 150 a day, other states not as much. NJ happens to pay much higher since there is more work in the tri state for laborers/construction.
http://www.city-data.com/city/Union-...ew-Jersey.html
I lived there before I moved where I am now.
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Um... it is a flimsy reason... "Oh boo hoo you fled yoru country where you could get killed becuase we sent all those people back and now you have a gang problem because they formed gangs in our terrible prison system, oh well back to your country."
Never once have I liked Trump. Think he's an ignorant ass person, but I don't disagree with his statements here.
Spin that however you want, it's true. There's good people coming over with them, but there's a lot of bad. If you don't believe it, then don't go to Texas.people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists
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