Seeking info in general on Elemental Shaman

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There's a difference between being "really good" and "decent". It would be silly if we were topping meters on 7 encounters given that elemental shaman has always been a "middle of the road" kinda spec. To be really good on 4 encounters, pretty good on one or two, decent on one or two, and meh on four or five is a good place to be. You'll find most other specs are in the same place.

And inb4 we call out one or two specific specs that are OP. That's not our problem, that's a problem with those specs. Maybe Mannoroth is less than ideal, but climbing back up the meters to at least half way from phase 2.5 on Archimonde is easy.

It's really not that bad, everyone just loves to complain.

Yes we are not that bad but behind nearly everyone and we still don't have utility >_<

Even SP are better than us Kappa

[freddy090909]

It would be silly if we were topping meters on 7 encounters given that elemental shaman has always been a "middle of the road" kinda spec.

No one is asking to be the top spec in the game, the problem stems from the fact that we are balanced to be "middle of the road" this tier by having us be at the very top on some encounters, and at the very bottom on most encounters (averaging us out to be slightly below average). On non-earthquake fights, we are right at the bottom alongside things like fire mage (single target), survival hunter, and combat rogue (single target). All of which should/could be playing another one of their specs on that fight with little investment.

Elemental should be a strong spec on single-target with minimal movement (patchwerk sims) due to how it is designed. The spec's main weaknesses are mobility, spread cleave, and rapid target swapping, all of which see plenty of play this tier. If we are not able to perform very well on a fight like fel lord (which is a very simple single target fight), there is no way we would even be decent on fights like gorefiend or mannoroth (which play more to ele's weaknesses).

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There's a difference between being "really good" and "decent". It would be silly if we were topping meters on 7 encounters given that elemental shaman has always been a "middle of the road" kinda spec. To be really good on 4 encounters, pretty good on one or two, decent on one or two, and meh on four or five is a good place to be. You'll find most other specs are in the same place.

And inb4 we call out one or two specific specs that are OP. That's not our problem, that's a problem with those specs. Maybe Mannoroth is less than ideal, but climbing back up the meters to at least half way from phase 2.5 on Archimonde is easy.

It's really not that bad, everyone just loves to complain.

Something is really bad if you do orange WCL ranks with 55k dps, while others do 15-20k dps more. And please, stop whitewashing things - this is the most horrible tier for Elemental since T4. Raid spots also get scarse because melees are OP in HFC.

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Something is really bad if you do orange WCL ranks with 55k dps, while others do 15-20k dps more. And please, stop whitewashing things - this is the most horrible tier for Elemental since T4. Raid spots also get scarse because melees are OP in HFC.

That's not a measure of anything. That sort of "data" can just as easily mean there's a lot of people who are just shit at playing elemental lol

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That's not a measure of anything. That sort of "data" can just as easily mean there's a lot of people who are just shit at playing elemental lol

Thats a measure of how Elemental is currently. But fuck logic.

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That's not a measure of anything. That sort of "data" can just as easily mean there's a lot of people who are just shit at playing elemental lol

Ah ah nice joke xD

[Blithe]

There's a difference between being "really good" and "decent". It would be silly if we were topping meters on 7 encounters given that elemental shaman has always been a "middle of the road" kinda spec. To be really good on 4 encounters, pretty good on one or two, decent on one or two, and meh on four or five is a good place to be. You'll find most other specs are in the same place.

And inb4 we call out one or two specific specs that are OP. That's not our problem, that's a problem with those specs. Maybe Mannoroth is less than ideal, but climbing back up the meters to at least half way from phase 2.5 on Archimonde is easy.

It's really not that bad, everyone just loves to complain.

PvP is a joke for Elemental because you're a walking free honor kill who can't defend yourself against any half-competent player bashing their skull against the keyboard, and outside of specific very niche area of effect heavy fights we're absolutely abysmal. Your optimism when shown various facts and statistics about how bad of a state we're in is astounding.

[Firebug1975]

It's really not that bad, everyone just loves to complain.

Yeah, it's fun coming bottom DPS in raid then checking logs to see you've ranked purple or orange.