What if Vol'jin Killed Garrosh Hellscream?

[Sylv_]

Then we could have had a different expansion, equally as terrible.

[Trassk]

Trassk would never let us hear the end of it

Trassk would care as much as he does for current lore darling.

[Ramz]

Vol'Jin would lose to Garrosh in a 1 vs 1 combat.

Vol'Jin only change would be a sneak attack what would make me lose my respect for my current warchief alot.

He is a shadow hunter after monk training. Shadow hunters are master of combat in melee ranged and they also are good at voodoo magics. So I think he would have a chance, specially when Thrall also had them, .. and Cairne... and quilboars...

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He is a shadow hunter after monk training. Shadow hunters are master of combat in melee ranged and they also are good at voodoo magics. So I think he would have a chance, specially when Thrall also had them, .. and Cairne... and quilboars...

Garrosh is like the strongest warrior out there.
You want to face and Orc an like the strongest of the Orcs (Blademasters included) in 1vs1 combat without magic? (Thrall cheated)

Cairne was a Tauren they are the strongest race out there, just because of this he could had won.
A Troll is nowhere near a Tauren maybe if Vol'Jin was a forest Troll i might reconsider and a Darkspear? its not for nothing they use alot of voodoo magic and shadowhunter skills as a race its just because they are not really build up to be as strong as Orcs and Taurens.

[Ramz]

Garrosh is like the strongest warrior out there.
You want to face and Orc an like the strongest of the Orcs (Blademasters included) in 1vs1 combat without magic? (Thrall cheated)

Cairne was a Tauren they are the strongest race out there, just because of this he could had won.
A Troll is nowhere near a Tauren maybe if Vol'Jin was a forest Troll i might reconsider and a Darkspear? its not for nothing they use alot of voodoo magic and shadowhunter skills as a race its just because they are not really build up to be as strong as Orcs and Taurens.

True, but Shadow hunters are elites among the units for a reason. You want to see a Shadow Hunter in action? In Nagrand you saw Kajassa fighting off plenty of warsong warriors all by her own. One troll against party of Warsong raiders.
Darkspears aren't known from thier sheer strenght, but they back it up with agility, swiftness and skill - just like night elves. The difference is that regular troll is still much stronger than nelf and resiliant if not more as orc.

Vol'Jin was bashing skulls in pandaria, his fingers were penetratic plate armor, and his ribs resisted the pressure that would break other's bones. He is far stronger than everybody think he is.

As for Garrosh- what source do you have regarding his strenght? He was beaten up by old Carine, Saurfang is also much skilled Warrior than he is, and didn't Varian also won with him at some point?

[Ciddy]

I like to think Thrall would've approved, since he was ready to personally deal with Garrosh anyway (and would have, if not for the fact that Varian decided to stop in for some stupid reason). End result would've been the same. Vol'jin still would've been made warchief. Varian probably would've been disgusted, but I don't think anyone there would've given a shit.

Sylvanas...if she planned to do it at all, she would've beaten Vol'jin to it. She seemed more amused than anything else by what happened.

Then we could have had a different expansion, equally as terrible.

This is the other thing. While I think Garrosh should've died at the end of Siege, it wouldn't necessarily have prevented WoD. Garrosh wasn't required for WoD to happen.

[Zulkhan]

Cairne was a Tauren they are the strongest race out there, just because of this he could had won.
A Troll is nowhere near a Tauren maybe if Vol'Jin was a forest Troll i might reconsider and a Darkspear? its not for nothing they use alot of voodoo magic and shadowhunter skills as a race its just because they are not really build up to be as strong as Orcs and Taurens.

You focus excessively on raw muscular strength like it counts for everything. This would be true in a competition in which you have to lift loads, but in a duel skill and experience is what really matters. Cairne didn't slap Garrosh's ass because he had bigger muscles, he did because he had greater experience and good sense in handle the fight, where Garrosh just acted out of fury and nothing else. This is what let him to deliver some solid and hurtful blows against Garrosh where Garrosh couldn't do nothing but scratch Cairne's chest.

In a 1v1 situation what matters is deliver a mortal blow and avoid receiving one. The end. In that scenario, agility and dexterity are valuable as much as raw strength. Plus, Trolls can quickly recover from any non-lethal wound, which itself gives a notable advantage.

[Arrashi]

You focus excessively on raw muscular strength like it counts for everything. This would be true in a competition in which you have to lift loads, but in a duel skill and experience is what really matters. Cairne didn't slap Garrosh's ass because he had bigger muscles, he did because he had greater experience and good sense in handle the fight, where Garrosh just acted out of fury and nothing else. This is what let him to deliver some solid and hurtful blows against Garrosh where Garrosh couldn't do nothing but scratch Cairne's chest.

In a 1v1 situation what matters is deliver a mortal blow and avoid receiving one. The end. In that scenario, agility and dexterity are valuable as much as raw strength. Plus, Trolls can quickly recover from any non-lethal wound, which itself gives a notable advantage.

You are missing one important thing about 1v1. You can't get h-h-h-h-heeeeeelp. And that is vol'jins main weakness. No loas. No thrall. No alliance to save his hide.

[Zulkhan]

You are missing one important thing about 1v1. You can't get h-h-h-h-heeeeeelp. And that is vol'jins main weakness. No loas. No thrall. No alliance to save his hide.

The help is pointless if isn't needed. Against Garrosh? No need of anything but pull his heart out of the chest.

Plus, Thrall himself demonstrated that you can declare "Mak'gora" and gives zero shit about how many magical tricks you're going to use. That's new universal rule now, since Thrall is the one who baptized it. Thrall's rule > everything else.

[Arrashi]

The help is pointless if isn't needed. Against Garrosh? No need of anything but pull his heart out of the chest.

Plus, Thrall himself demonstrated that you can declare "Mak'gora" and gives zero shit about how many magical tricks you're going to use. That's new universal rule now, since Thrall is the one who baptized.

Yeah, that's why vol'jin confronted garrosh in SoO Oh wait, he didn't

But im sure he would do much better than thrall did. After all he was the one behind fall of zalazane. And the true savior of azeroth.

[Zulkhan]

Yeah, that's why vol'jin confronted garrosh in SoO Oh wait, he didn't

But im sure he would do much better than thrall did. After all he was the one behind fall of zalazane. And the true savior of azeroth.

How did we already forget that Garrosh down there was using plenty of external help, from having an Old God heart to suck power from, a weapon forged by that same artifact, and even Dark Shaman to torture the elements with the sole goal to nerf Thrall?

But yeah, I guess all that stuff was just in the way, that's why he completely owned Thrall in Nagrand. I mean, he achieved such a magnificent victory that the sky itself cheered and hailed him, to the point of electrocuting him to death

[Arrashi]

How did we already forget that Garrosh down there was using plenty of external help, from having an Old God heart to suck power from, a weapon forged by that same artifact, and even Dark Shaman to torture the elements with the sole goal to nerf Thrall?

But yeah, I guess all that stuff was just in the way, that's why he completely owned Thrall in Nagrand. I mean, he achieved such a magnificent victory that the sky itself cheered and hailed him, to the point of electrocuting him to death

You know who wasn't in nagrand ? Vol'jin. He was too busy in azeroth....doing something ? I guess ? I mean thrall is there to do all the hard stuff so i guess vol'jin can enjoy stagnation he loves so much.

Oh and garrosh blocked thrall and thrall powers. And haven't used heart till we fight him.

[Zulkhan]

You know who wasn't in nagrand ? Vol'jin. He was too busy in azeroth....doing something ? I guess ? I mean thrall is there to do all the hard stuff so i guess vol'jin can enjoy stagnation he loves so much.

Indeed, because when Thrall was Warchief he was so involved in the frontlines, like in TBC and WotLK.

Oh and garrosh blocked thrall and thrall powers. And haven't used heart till we fight him.

He didn't "block" Thrall's powers, his Dark Shaman's work prevented Thrall to communicate with the elements. Then Garrosh used his new powers to somehow paralyze Thrall or something in a vortex of shadow magic, but Thrall still managed to get out with what residual elemental power he had left. Then Garrosh instantly owned Thrall mostly thanks to Xal'atoh, since the fight in Nagrand, with Garrosh having nothing but Gorehowl as weapon, wasn't even vaguely that one-sided. But I'm sure is a coincidence.

[Friendlyimmolation]

But Garrosh believed Vol'Jin was dead until he took over Razor Hill. And He also placed martial law on Echo Isles. I don't think it had anything to do with Vol'Jin anymore rather than simply eradicate Darkspears out of paranoia.

When You say, "bruh im gonna kill you one day" You pretty much blow any cover you had. If Vol'jin kept his mouth shut it would have been alot easier for him to rebel.

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He is a shadow hunter after monk training. Shadow hunters are master of combat in melee ranged and they also are good at voodoo magics. So I think he would have a chance, specially when Thrall also had them, .. and Cairne... and quilboars...

Garrosh beat the crap out of Taran'zhu though, so he isnt any pushover either. All these "Garrosh only stronk" disregard that he was equal to Varian in fighting.

[Arrashi]

Indeed, because when Thrall was Warchief he was so involved in the frontlines, like in TBC and WotLK.



He didn't "block" Thrall's powers, his Dark Shaman's work prevented Thrall to communicate with the elements. Then Garrosh used his new powers to somehow paralyze Thrall or something in a vortex of shadow magic, but Thrall still managed to get out with what residual elemental power he had left. Then Garrosh instantly owned Thrall mostly thanks to Xal'atoh, since the fight in Nagrand, with Garrosh having nothing but Gorehowl as weapon, wasn't even vaguely that one-sided. But I'm sure is a coincidence.

He got pretty personal during that whole undercity thing. So was sylvanas. Vol'jin on the other hand was all like "i don't have even single line of dialogue". I think he was watching thralls mount or something.

And garrosh blocked SHAMANISTIC powers. That means it was vol'jins chance to shine. I mean, im sure vol'jin could easily defeat him there. Perhaps he left that to us as a gift. What a nice guy.

[badaku]

That's probably going to happen in the next expansion.

[Friendlyimmolation]

That's probably going to happen in the next expansion.

I think you mean Grom there, Grom would be like "I fight for my friends" and then Leap 70 feet through the air and cut voljin in half but the axe would keep going down into the earth and cause the planet to explode.

[Arrashi]

I think you mean Grom there, Grom would be like "I fight for my friends" and then Leap 70 feet through the air and cut voljin in half but the axe would keep going down into the earth and cause the planet to explode.

The h-h-h-h-heeeeeelp scream during that moment would ripple across all realities.

[Friendlyimmolation]

The h-h-h-h-heeeeeelp scream during that moment would ripple across all realities.

to be fair, anyone would scream h-h-h-h-heeeeellp with Grom leaping towards them. Except Gul'dan because he doesn't afraid of anything.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

If Vol'jin had killed Garrosh, Varian would have ended the Horde right then and there.