Whats wrong with offending illegal immigrants?

[Dug]

But they have no right to anything within or from the government including a vote, There are legal ways to emigrate and they should follow those ways.


This isnt a defending trump, hes just brought to light again a issue i could never understand and thats illegals getting pissed when someone says somthing like " ship them all back" "they have no rights in our country" and they raise hell, i think arizona got shit because they wanted a proof of citizenship when voting and the illegals said thats discriminating against them.

Except its one thing to say "ship them back" and "Mexican illegals are rapist criminals"

But its totally okay because he said "some" are good people. His maid and gardener specifically

[Vanyali]

But they have no right to anything within or from the government including a vote, There are legal ways to emigrate and they should follow those ways.


This isnt a defending trump, hes just brought to light again a issue i could never understand and thats illegals getting pissed when someone says somthing like " ship them all back" "they have no rights in our country" and they raise hell, i think arizona got shit because they wanted a proof of citizenship when voting and the illegals said thats discriminating against them.

Most of the people that raise hell aren't illegal immigrants, but people that are stopped because "well you look illegal so prove you're not, or we're kicking you out". That's all sorts of illegal and unconstitutional. As for voting, we already have measures in place to REGISTER to vote that require proof of citizenship. What you're actually wanting to go after is absentee voting, but it's always at the booth measures.. hmm..

[PC2]

If they didn't Obama would be doing a hell of a lot worse but go ahead and act like Obama is Stalin.

I'm not sure why you are likening Obama to Stalin. Obama has made terrible choices, but he isn't the only one who has failed on this issue.

[Zeta333]

Most of the people that raise hell aren't illegal immigrants, but people that are stopped because "well you look illegal so prove you're not, or we're kicking you out". That's all sorts of illegal and unconstitutional. As for voting, we already have measures in place to REGISTER to vote that require proof of citizenship. What you're actually wanting to go after is absentee voting, but it's always at the booth measures.. hmm..

Why is it illegal to demand someone prove they are allowed to legally be in the country? I see nothing wrong with it being mandatory you carry that sort of indentification and i can see it being mandatory in the future.

[Vanyali]

Why is it illegal to demand someone prove they are allowed to legally be in the country? I see nothing wrong with it being mandatory you carry that sort of indentification and i can see it being mandatory in the future.

Because that's not a law, nor is it likely to become one when the basis of it tends to be "you're brown, so i need to check if you're illegal because you look like those mexican people", as it has been shown to have been used recently.

Additionally, it has a shitload of negative historical connotations stretching back to.. rome, and probably even before that actually.

[Bahm]

i think arizona got shit because they wanted a proof of citizenship when voting and the illegals said thats discriminating against them.

Are you talking about SB1070? Because that's not at all what that was about.

[Felya]

Why is it illegal to demand someone prove they are allowed to legally be in the country? I see nothing wrong with it being mandatory you carry that sort of indentification and i can see it being mandatory in the future.

Look at Stalinist Russia for how carrying citizenship papers can go wrong.

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Having worked construction yelling at them to drop your tools seems to offend them, in fact you being there at all does

Thank your boss for creating a reason for illegals to be here... God forbid you report your boss, when you can bitch about those coming for the job he provides...

[Zeta333]

Because that's not a law, nor is it likely to become one when the basis of it tends to be "you're brown, so i need to check if you're illegal because you look like those mexican people", as it has been shown to have been used recently.

Additionally, it has a shitload of negative historical connotations stretching back to.. rome, and probably even before that actually.

I would ask everyone if it was up to me, ill descriminate against everyone so no one feels left out.

Look at Stalinist Russia for how carrying citizenship papers can go wrong.

Yeh cus making it easy to find if someones allowed to be here or not is bad.

[fengosa]

I'm not sure why you are likening Obama to Stalin. Obama has made terrible choices, but he isn't the only one who has failed on this issue.

Not deporting an illegal immigrant because they're the provider for an American born child really isn't that terrible.

Trump would waste billions on a 30 foot wall and the Mexicans will build a 40 foot ladder.

[Vanyali]

I would ask everyone if it was up to me, ill descriminate against everyone so no one feels left out.

Asking someone to prove their a citizen because they just walked down the street is.. questionable. Very questionable.

[PC2]

Trump would waste billions on a 30 foot wall and the Mexicans will build a 40 foot ladder.

First of all, nobody builds walls like Trump does...

I agree that a wall would have limited effectiveness. That really isn't the main issue here.

[derpkitteh]

What's the difference in offending illegal immigrants and anyone else?

they're actively breaking the law. their reason for doing so doesn't mean shit, the law is the law.

[Felya]

they're actively breaking the law. their reason for doing so doesn't mean shit, the law is the law.

What does them being offended and breaking the law have to do with each other?

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Yeh cus making it easy to find if someones allowed to be here or not is bad.

exactly...

[WskyDK]

Because legality != decency

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What about the british/french people harassed on the street by muslim militia who set up sharia law zones?

This shit again?
Think you missed your Fox News tab when you replied.

[Felya]

Trump would waste billions on a 30 foot wall and the Mexicans will build a 40 foot ladder.

A major Mexican drug lord just escaped a max security prison through a tunnel dug from outside to jail shower. The tunnel included electricity and other utilities...

[PC2]

Because legality != decency

Maybe everyone in Central America should be American citizens? That would be decent? With Canada we could then have a continent country.

[Felya]

Maybe everyone in Central America should be American citizens? That would be decent?

Don't you mean stop being offended?

[WskyDK]

Maybe everyone in Central America should be American citizens? That would be decent? With Canada we could then have a continent country.

Not even remotely what was being alluded to.
The question posed by the OP was "What's wrong with offending illegal immigrants?" To which I responded with legality (Their being illegal) and morality (offending someone) being different.

I'm not asking to make everyone legal, I'm asking for people to stop being raging cunts to immigrants.

[cyndallis]

Can't really comment. In Australia our government just pays the people smugglers to do a round trip...
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OT: They are people and you should treat them as such. If you want to protect your borders the solution to your problem was pretty much summed up above. Stop business from getting away with employing people under the table and your problem goes away.

[Felya]

Can't really comment. In Australia our government just pays the people smugglers to do a round trip...

</sarcasm, just in case>

Well... Australia has a unique history...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stolen_Generations