King Leoric - first impression

[Grim32]

Weak? He carried our team, our Leoric had over 100k hero damage! He's insane, our enemies fled at first sight of him!

What talents did he take - I mean he does okay damage but not as much as say an assasin would.

His cleave is great at late levels though. His sustain is good. A great character - but I'd say mid game he lacks damage but makes up for it at the end.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

What talents did he take - I mean he does okay damage but not as much as say an assasin would.

His cleave is great at late levels though. His sustain is good. A great character - but I'd say mid game he lacks damage but makes up for it at the end.

He specced into improving his cleave for teamfights and his W to force away their heals. I do not have specific talent names beyond that; I glanced over the scoreboard at the end of the match

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Seems like my predictions were indeed correct, that Leoric would be invaluable as a scout while dead. Just had a second match with him, and when Leoric perished in teamfights he was able to assist immensely by informing us where the enemy was and what they were doing. He was also able to slow fleeing heroes to net us kills, and at one point stole a boss by slowing them from escaping boss AoE damage, allowing us to win a 3v5.

He appears to have the highest AoE tank dmg in the game, which is understandable considering he has no initiation, which I think is a good trade in power balance. His ghost escape seems to be his vulnerability, as it's a good two second window for which the enemy to burst him down, either killing him or forcing him to prematurely exit ghost form only a short distance away, and chances are if he's fleeing in the first place he just lost a team fight and the enemy team will kill him anyways. His block ult has been responsible for the death of more allies than it has enemies, though.

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Also, we had a situation where Leoric 1v1ed Arthas. Leoric - for obvious reasons - won the match against what is now undoubtedly an obsolete hero.

[Gourmandise]

Leoric trailer... ROFL!

I didn't notice that the first time. lol

[GodlyBob]

Also, we had a situation where Leoric 1v1ed Arthas. Leoric - for obvious reasons - won the match against what is now undoubtedly an obsolete hero.

I'm not going to argue Arthas is up there with Johanna as an all-purpose tank, but he's not that bad for what he does. I have to play around with Leoric some, but Arthas is great at keeping people perma-snared and works fantastically well with adc that has executioner and should still fit a lot of team comps...just the ones that don't rely on jaina or kt, the two currently most popular heroes in the game...

poor Arthas =*(

[Lesane]

I'm not going to argue Arthas is up there with Johanna as an all-purpose tank, but he's not that bad for what he does. I have to play around with Leoric some, but Arthas is great at keeping people perma-snared and works fantastically well with adc that has executioner and should still fit a lot of team comps...just the ones that don't rely on jaina or kt, the two currently most popular heroes in the game...

poor Arthas =*(

The only heroes that would possibly go Executioner are Valla and Sgt. Hammer. In both cases the other alternatives at 16 are simply better.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

The only heroes that would possibly go Executioner are Valla and Sgt. Hammer. In both cases the other alternatives at 16 are simply better.

Raynor is an amazing Executioner; with the double penetrating shot slow, he has a solid 6 second window for 40% basic attack damage bonus, which is an almost guaranteed kill on an hero (including Azmodan) in the game if he has focusing shots and a couple dozen stacks of seasoned marksman.

Slow tank such as Anub'arak, Leoric, and Arthas make that window last even longer.

[apepi]

Also, we had a situation where Leoric 1v1ed Arthas. Leoric - for obvious reasons - won the match against what is now undoubtedly an obsolete hero.

Did you fight against me? ;P

Honestly Leoric feels much like Murky does, he is always up, he is always in a fight, it is very fun.

[Simulacrum]

Only got time to play a couple of games with him (and only in QM, to make sure I got him), gotta to bed now. Lost both games, but they both looked like this:



Hard to say how good he really is, since everyone in both games were playing like retards (3300+ MMR and people still can't tell their asses from their opponents), but so far he seems exactly like my kind of warrior, since I'm kind of a splitpushy asshole who likes to roam a lot and hates going back to base.

He pushes hard, has an AMAZING escape (I don't think anyone can actually kill him if he uses it, unless he just gets bursted down), and amazing sustain. His damage seems pretty good too, at least if you get to channel drain hope full duration. Didn't try entomb, but march of the black king is pretty good. It heals for a bunch, and does decent damage before 20, then at 20 it turns him pretty much immortal for 4 seconds after he uses it, since the amount of healing you get from aoe drain hope is insane.

Need to experiment a lot more with him to say anything meaningful about the talents.

Overall, I personally really like him.

[GodlyBob]

The only heroes that would possibly go Executioner are Valla and Sgt. Hammer. In both cases the other alternatives at 16 are simply better.

there's Tychus as well, after they buffed his attack range an aa build is a lot safer on him.

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That was one very long game >.>

[Simulacrum]

That was one very long game >.>

That's how things go when people run around like headless chickens all game. And why playing a warrior if you're not retarded is usually the retarded thing to do (sadly). If I were kael in that game it'd have been an easy win, but since warriors don't have the ability to wipe teams by themselves, well... games without competent DPS on your side tend to drag on for ages.

At one point I even had the entire enemy team camping my ghost (which I obligingly parked inside their base, to keep them as far away from anywhere useful as possible) for a solid 2 minutes at least, racking up 3 deaths. In that time, my team did absolutely nothing while all 5 enemies were essentially afk. You'd think occupying the entire enemy team for that long would be worth it (and in retrospect, I suppose the sheer amount of EXP they lost did make it worth it), but if you team doesn't have the mental wherewithal to capitalize on the advantage it sort of isn't... so, the game dragged on forever until we finally lost just due to the map objective smashing us.

[GodlyBob]

That's how things go when people run around like headless chickens all game. And why playing a warrior if you're not retarded is usually the retarded thing to do (sadly). If I were kael in that game it'd have been an easy win, but since warriors don't have the ability to wipe teams by themselves, well... games without competent DPS on your side tend to drag on for ages.

At one point I even had the entire enemy team camping my ghost (which I obligingly parked inside their base, to keep them as far away from anywhere useful as possible) for a solid 2 minutes at least, racking up 3 deaths. In that time, my team did absolutely nothing while all 5 enemies were essentially afk. You'd think occupying the entire enemy team for that long would be worth it (and in retrospect, I suppose the sheer amount of EXP they lost did make it worth it), but if you team doesn't have the mental wherewithal to capitalize on the advantage it sort of isn't... so, the game dragged on forever until we finally lost just due to the map objective smashing us.

Early game, that exp would have helped, but since both teams ended on the same level, I don't think that was all that great a boon. Those longer games really hurt when you lose them too, like losing an 18 hour AV in the old days.

[Lesane]

Raynor is an amazing Executioner; with the double penetrating shot slow, he has a solid 6 second window for 40% basic attack damage bonus, which is an almost guaranteed kill on an hero (including Azmodan) in the game if he has focusing shots and a couple dozen stacks of seasoned marksman.

Slow tank such as Anub'arak, Leoric, and Arthas make that window last even longer.

People really aren't going to let you AA a single target for 6 seconds, let alone one that you yourself have to knock back twice. You have to give up Bullseye for Executioner, and Bullseye is far better.

Only got time to play a couple of games with him (and only in QM, to make sure I got him), gotta to bed now. Lost both games, but they both looked like this:



Hard to say how good he really is, since everyone in both games were playing like retards (3300+ MMR and people still can't tell their asses from their opponents), but so far he seems exactly like my kind of warrior, since I'm kind of a splitpushy asshole who likes to roam a lot and hates going back to base.

He pushes hard, has an AMAZING escape (I don't think anyone can actually kill him if he uses it, unless he just gets bursted down), and amazing sustain. His damage seems pretty good too, at least if you get to channel drain hope full duration. Didn't try entomb, but march of the black king is pretty good. It heals for a bunch, and does decent damage before 20, then at 20 it turns him pretty much immortal for 4 seconds after he uses it, since the amount of healing you get from aoe drain hope is insane.

Need to experiment a lot more with him to say anything meaningful about the talents.

Overall, I personally really like him.

The retards might be because playing Leoric = max queue = matchmaker doesn't care. I just played my first game as him and it was pretty obvious that everyone in the match just started playing the game recently.

On-topic: Played 2 games so far. Tried both ults. The level 20 Black March is hilarious, you destroy the whole team by yourself. His passive is crazy good. His laning is very good as well. He's also OP as fuck on Garden and Shire because you can leech the DK/Terror. He doesn't do a lot of damage outside of his W though, and that's only single target, and he doesn't really have CC. Entomb is a better Force Wall but it's a bit hit or miss. I don't really think he will dethrone Muradin and Johanna.

[Val the Moofia Boss]

People really aren't going to let you AA a single target for 6 seconds, let alone one that you yourself have to knock back twice. You have to give up Bullseye for Executioner, and Bullseye is far better.



The retards might be because playing Leoric = max queue = matchmaker doesn't care. I just played my first game as him and it was pretty obvious that everyone in the match just started playing the game recently.

On-topic: Played 2 games so far. Tried both ults. The level 20 Black March is hilarious, you destroy the whole team by yourself. His passive is crazy good. His laning is very good as well. He's also OP as fuck on Garden and Shire because you can leech the DK/Terror. He doesn't do a lot of damage outside of his W though, and that's only single target, and he doesn't really have CC. Entomb is a better Force Wall but it's a bit hit or miss. I don't really think he will dethrone Muradin and Johanna.

From what I can tell, Leoric is a top tier battle tank along with Anub'arak. If you want a tanky tank, Muradin and Johanna are the way to go.

[Deleted]

Another Diablo Warrior? Is that all we get now?

Haven't had time to test him tho. I shall edit my post!

[Skillslam]

Leoric is hot garbage.

1. No CC
2. Mediocre damage. No burst to speak of besides the worse of his 2 ults which you don't take outside of QM to mulch idiots.
3. He's a garbage jungler because his sustain only works on heroes
4. Because of the way his heal works, you can take full tank talents and still feel as squishy as an assassin, because this is Heroes of the Stunned

[ErothTV]

Leoric is hot garbage.

1. No CC
2. Mediocre damage. No burst to speak of besides the worse of his 2 ults which you don't take outside of QM to mulch idiots.
3. He's a garbage jungler because his sustain only works on heroes
4. Because of the way his heal works, you can take full tank talents and still feel as squishy as an assassin, because this is Heroes of the Stunned

It's not about having CC, pointing out this hero. His trait is totally OP. Also he has big AoE damage.
Seems You have played too much LoL, as there are no junglers in HotS ;-)
He can be playable in the competitive scene, with two or even three tanks compos.

[Banchou]

Leoric is 8 or 80. Or will be a fantastic team mate or will be the feeder.

Aside being the 1st day, many people are abusing of Leoric trait and because that dying a lot: in a match our Leoric died 16 times, all the exp our Murky farmed doing crazy solo pushs (in a good way) was lost because Leoric alone.

[RH92]

I played him today for the first time. He is fun and useful, but I still prefer Johanna.

Skeletal Swing - I did not expect it to be such massive AoE, great for laning. At level 1 you pretty much reduce whole minion wave into a 50% health, on higher levels with Renewed Swing talent you clear waves almost as fast as Sylvanas.

Drain Hope - Not as powerful as it seems on a paper, in general play it sucks. Good for 1v1 and some sustain, but you can only use it on Heroes which makes you very weak at taking Mercenary Camps.

Wraith Walk - Very good ability for chasing and solid escape. I actually found Leoric to be great at finishing Heroes, his Skeletal Swing is rather high damage, massive AoE and slows so it is possible to kill two heroes at once if they are not careful. As a escape, you need to learn when to use it as opponents can still damage your body and kill you. A lot of Leorics I seen used it way too late.

Entomb - To be honest I think it is rather weak ability. It is extremely hard to land well, a lot of heroes have escapes already and useless if you try to outflank your enemies. However I can see it being good in a competitive play.

March of the Black King - In my opinion it is a great ability, incredible for zoning and initiation. With level 20 talent, the Death March, it get's even more powerful. This makes him a very tanky for a short duration, usually enough to do the job. Up until this level I found Leoric pretty easy to burst down.

Undying - Not as strong as I expected it to be, but still great for helping secure kills and scouting. You can move through base walls as a ghost. For the matter of reducing death time, at early levels I managed to take down 3-4 seconds and at higher levels 7-10 seconds. This trait makes him fun to play, always doing something.

Overall I think he is very good Hero with various uses, but he will never be the actual tank. However I think he will be great in double Warrior compositions. He is very strong at early levels, okay in middle part of the game and again strong at high level. Maybe I did it wrong, but I actually played him more as a Specialist. Pushing lanes, helping in fights with fronting up and chasing to secure kills.

This is the build I played with - http://www.heroesnexus.com/talent-ca...TNTyS5SETCT0AA, but all the games I played were without any Support.

[Deleted]

nice skeleton king this dead game gets

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[Nikkaszal]

nice skeleton king this dead game gets

0/10 poor attempt