SimCraft Rankings???

[Kethro]

Was the nerf to Arms 4-piece really that significant? The new Simcraft raid result rankings seem a bit off to bring us THAT far down the totem pole.

There's gotta be a mistake somewhere, right?

[zyen]

No mistakes there, the nerf was massive.

Arms was only up there because of the tier bonus.

Without T18, it's pretty shit.

[Bigbazz]

Not really a mistake, single target we were upper/middle of pack pre nerf and the nerf hits us in 3 areas at once.

100% was the actual increased Rend tick we had... It actually doubled the damage of rend. This also means we had double the rage from Taste for Blood and double the chance to reset MS.. Now we're seeing only a 33% bonus from all of those, it's a massive dps nerf, and seeing that we were comfortable at the bottom of the meters in T17 it's no surprise given that Arms does not scale well by itself that we're now back down there.

It's just single target patchwerk numbers anyway, they are far from accurate to the reality of actual raid bosses... Though you can probably be safe in assuming that Arms isn't your best choice on single target any more, you might wanna start working on your Fury set again, or hell even Gladiator.

[fearmemortals]

given that Arms does not scale well by itself that we're now back down there.

The reason why Arms doesn't scale well by itself is that (surprise surprise) WW blows for single target damage. It comes down to a flawed game design where the only ability we have worth casting has a six second cool down, and no other alternatives but to spam an AoE skill that wasn't even strong enough to use on 8-10 targets when unlimited MS resets with SS was on the table.

tl;dr Arms will be shit until this gets fixed, and unlimited MS was fun, and crazy good, but not a long term solution

[Deleted]

The reason why Arms doesn't scale well by itself is that (surprise surprise) WW blows for single target damage. It comes down to a flawed game design where the only ability we have worth casting has a six second cool down, and no other alternatives but to spam an AoE skill that wasn't even strong enough to use on 8-10 targets when unlimited MS resets with SS was on the table.

tl;dr Arms will be shit until this gets fixed, and unlimited MS was fun, and crazy good, but not a long term solution

A good enough bandaid fix for now though was the tier set actually made arms viable and fun to play shame really arms is defo my fav spec but it's pretty much been unplayable vs fury for majority of this expac

[VaevictusVII]

I'd say it's pretty accurate now, it was that big an effect to gameplay.

[Xanthan]

It's not entirely accurate because the simcraft profile for Arms still has some terrible gear choices(no class trinket!?!, bad boots/wrists) and an APL that isn't tightly tuned for the rotation. If you fix those, it'll sim like 4k DPS higher than it's pegged at now. It's still well behind Fury on single target by heroic gear levels now though instead of ahead of it even in full mythic.

[VaevictusVII]

The point is that last night raiding, was totally different than the prior two weeks of 4 set domination. Top to bottom of meters, presto. GG

[fearmemortals]

It's not entirely accurate because the simcraft profile for Arms still has some terrible gear choices(no class trinket!?!, bad boots/wrists) and an APL that isn't tightly tuned for the rotation. If you fix those, it'll sim like 4k DPS higher than it's pegged at now. It's still well behind Fury on single target by heroic gear levels now though instead of ahead of it even in full mythic.

Since Arms lost the double dip on rage generation with rend ticking I actually think the class trinket it's that good anymore.

[Xanthan]

Since Arms lost the double dip on rage generation with rend ticking I actually think the class trinket it's that good anymore.

It's still just as good, much better than any of the alternatives.

[fearmemortals]

It's still just as good, much better than any of the alternatives.

Proof?

10char

[stomination]

What the cleave spec isnt as good at single target?