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    A Terrorism Case in Britain Ends in Acquittal, but No One Can Say Why

    Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/wo...n-say-why.html
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    LONDON — Ian Cobain, a reporter with The Guardian, is one of very few people who know why a student arrested by armed British police officers in 2013 was finally acquitted this year of terrorism charges.

    Problem is, he cannot report what he knows. He was allowed to observe much of the trial, but only under strict conditions intended to keep classified material secret. His notebooks are being held by Britain’s domestic intelligence agency. And if he writes — or even talks — about the reason that the student, Erol Incedal, 27, was acquitted, Mr. Cobain faces prosecution and possibly jail.

    “I know the essence of what was happening,” Mr. Cobain said, “but I can’t tell, I can’t even talk to my editor about this.”


    Having initially gone along reluctantly with the reporting restrictions, a number of British news organizations are now challenging them in court. And yes, the challenge itself is being heard under secrecy rules that leave the public mostly excluded. Were Mr. Cobain to break the law and disclose what he knows publicly, his prosecution would also take place in secret.

    “Not even the Russians do that to journalists,” Mr. Cobain said, speaking recently in the cafe of the Royal Courts of Justice in London.

    The case is among the latest to highlight the growing debate about the proper balance between civil liberties and national security in the age of terrorism. That debate has intensified this year in the United States and across much of Europe, with nations reflecting on decisions they have made since the Sept. 11 attacks and reacting to more recent developments, from the Charlie Hebdo attacks in Paris to disclosures in Germany about eavesdropping by the United States National Security Agency.

    In Britain, which recently lost 30 citizens to a terrorist attack in Tunisia, public support for the intelligence and security agencies is high, according to opinion surveys, and Prime Minister David Cameron has promised to expand their resources and their ability to monitor electronic communications.

    But the Incedal case has focused attention on whether governments are cloaking too many of their activities in national security classifications, insulating themselves from public debate and accountability for mistakes or collusion with suspects.
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    “The implication is that this is more about the embarrassment of the agencies than it is about real questions of national security,” he added.

    Sean O’Neill, a reporter with The Times of London who also attended the secret hearings, said he believes that the government’s desire to keep some of the trial evidence secret was legitimate, but that this could have been done under normal rules allowing parts of trials to be held behind closed doors.

    Instead, the conduct of the Incedal case demonstrated an “obsession with secrecy” at a time when there is growing debate on the oversight of intelligence agencies, Mr. O’Neill said.

    “There is a refusenik factor in these organizations which thinks ‘anything we give will undermine us, and therefore undermine national security,’ ” he said.

    The result is that, as things stand, public knowledge about one of Britain’s biggest recent terrorism trials is a patchwork of partial truths and unanswered questions.
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    Even these scraps of information are more than the authorities wanted made public. Initially, prosecutors argued that they might not be able to bring the case to court unless it was held in complete secrecy.

    But after an appeal by news organizations last year, a strange middle way emerged: Some of the trial was held in public, some in secret, and the rest in a kind of no man’s land.

    Ten reporters, including Mr. Cobain and Mr. O’Neill, were admitted to these segments of the trial on the condition that they published nothing from the semi-secret sessions and that, at the end of each day, their reporters’ notebooks were locked in a safe.

    The notebooks are now being held by MI5, Britain’s domestic intelligence service — a fact that has been reported by the British news media and is not denied by the government, although it will not comment officially.


    In going along with the reporting restrictions a year ago, the 10 news organizations accredited to the trial may have believed — incorrectly as it proved — that the secrecy would be lifted at the end of proceedings. Although not all of the news organizations covered every phase of the trial, no media group refused to attend on principle. Mr. Cobain says he now has “real reservations” about having gone along with the process, but, of course, cannot explain why.

    In a statement, the Crown Prosecution Service said that the case “touched on important issues which related to national security.”

    “Some evidence has already been made public as it was dealt with in open court,” the statement said. “We are working to identify evidence heard during the closed proceedings which could be placed in the public domain.”

    “The extent to which further evidence can go into the public domain will ultimately be a decision for the judge.”

    Many are not convinced. “How is the public to evaluate the state’s actions if the media cannot report on it?” said Cian C. Murphy, a legal expert at King’s College London.

    “In constitutional terms, secrecy is anathema to the rule of law because legal and political accountability is impossible without transparency,” he said. “If errors are made, they must be brought to light — but there is little incentive for the prosecution, intelligence agencies or government departments to acquiesce when they can invoke national security to ensure secrecy.”

    Critics contend that such secrecy risks eroding not only civil liberties, but ultimately the effectiveness of the intelligence agencies, too.

    “The more secret the organization is, the more inefficient it tends to be,” Mr. Davis said. “It’s unwise to think of them as a bunch of hyperefficient James Bonds. They probably aren’t.”

    “The truth is,” he added, “that there is no such thing as secret justice. If it’s secret, it’s not justice.”

    The appeal against the reporting restrictions has now been adjourned until the autumn, but in one public session this month, Lord Chief Justice John Thomas acknowledged that there were “really difficult constitutional issues” at stake.

    A few minutes later, those reporters without special permission to attend were politely asked to leave.

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    Id put money on the "terrorist" being an undercover mi5 or mi6 agent that got caught by his own people, deep cover and had to drop names to get out so they arnt releasing information to keep stuff on the up and up with his cover identity or to keep him out of harms way.

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    Why would they invite reporters to stay... and turn around ans say they can't report?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    Id put money on the "terrorist" being an undercover mi5 or mi6 agent that got caught by his own people, deep cover and had to drop names to get out so they arnt releasing information to keep stuff on the up and up with his cover identity or to keep him out of harms way.
    I thought someone got threatened or paid but yours is better. Why not deceive the world with a false conviction?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Why would they invite reporters to stay... and turn around ans say they can't report?
    It's genius

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    Id put money on the "terrorist" being an undercover mi5 or mi6 agent that got caught by his own people, deep cover and had to drop names to get out so they arnt releasing information to keep stuff on the up and up with his cover identity or to keep him out of harms way.
    If that was the case, I have a hard time believing it would have reached trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Collegeguy View Post
    If that was the case, I have a hard time believing it would have reached trial.
    depending on how deep cover it is, he could have been denied outside communication ect, it also might be a tad hard for someone to get ahold of mi5 or 6 handlers from inside a prison cell, they would need to do it in a way to not leave a trail ect. short of gross incompetence i would say this is most plausible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonpartyfan View Post
    Why would they invite reporters to stay... and turn around ans say they can't report?
    Doesn't really make much sense - but our media censorship in secret courts is fairly weird. We have multiple cases of celebrities taking news sources to secret courts to pre-ban any embarrassing materials reaching the public domain.

    As a British citizen - I don't really care, it's not going to make an impact on my life and tbh I trust our intelligence and justice services (as do the vast majority of the population).

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    The man in question is a spook, but thanks to this news article his career is over and he is now retired.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zeta333 View Post
    Id put money on the "terrorist" being an undercover mi5 or mi6 agent that got caught by his own people, deep cover and had to drop names to get out so they arnt releasing information to keep stuff on the up and up with his cover identity or to keep him out of harms way.
    Many terrorism arrests are of FBI/MI assets. Lots of retarded/medicated muslims being approached and guided on what to do.

    When they're about to do their thing, they're arrested.

    It's the same as cops posing as prostitutes then arresting the Johns.

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