Holy Paladin (pure tank healer or beacon abuser) see discussion inside!

[Deleted]

Soooooooooooooooooooooooooooo. My friend and I were having a discussion about holy paladins. We both play them - but differently. Firstly - we all know that you have to be versatile when healing. Obviously you're not gonna ignore low health ppl. That aside which play style is considered correct at this point in time:

NOTE*: this is with HFC HC/MYTHIC progression in mind.

1. you ONLY heal tanks. When I mean heal tanks, I mean you totally ignore EVERYONE BUT TANKS, even if they are full HP because of our mastery. BECAUSE our job as a holy paladin, with our ABSORBS, and with the mana reduction thanks to beacon. WE ONLY HEAL TANKS NO MATTER WHAT, regardless of healer set up, even if you have a disc!!

2. you place your beacons on tanks and you effectively ignore them, holy light'ing, shocking and eternal flaming everything else in sight and letting your beacons do their job. OFC you ET & heal tanks directly when necessary but for throughput and efficiency we heal the rest of the raid primarily. Healers work together to keep tanks up via beacon, lb, shields etc etc

I personally am number 2 as I have just found it to overall give better results. I'm no expert - which is why I'm asking YOU lot. Are these playstyles entirely dependant on your stat priority and preference or is there more efficiency found in one over the other? THANKS <3

PLEASE BE KIND - BUT ALSO INFORMATIVE: I'm not looking to pick at my friend but he definitely thinks number 2 is the WRONG way to play and that number 1 is how holy paladins at the highest level DO and SHOULD. If you could provide a bit more input. He explains to me its because of the mastery mechanic - and I'm not really a holy paladin main. I feel it's kinda wrong but I am not "qualified" to even be listened to seriously <3

[Floopa]

1. you ONLY heal tanks. When I mean heal tanks, I mean you totally ignore EVERYONE BUT TANKS, even if they are full HP because of our mastery. BECAUSE our job as a holy paladin, with our ABSORBS, and with the mana reduction thanks to beacon. WE ONLY HEAL TANKS NO MATTER WHAT, regardless of healer set up, even if you have a disc!!

i refuse to believe anyone is stupid enough to think this is real

[Smitus]

I think it is not hard to see the correct way to play is some combination of both direct healing tanks sometimes, and not direct healing tanks sometimes, depending on the situation :O

[Deleted]

Your friend needs to lay off whatever psychedelics he's taking.

[Deleted]

Thanks for the fast replies - I'm not looking to pick at my friend but he definitely thinks number 2 is the WRONG way to play and that number 1 is how holy paladins at the highest level DO and SHOULD. If you could provide a bit more input. He explains to me its because of the mastery mechanic - and I'm not really a holy paladin main. I feel it's kinda wrong but I am not "qualified" to even be listened to seriously <3

[Deleted]

Well, for starters, you could point out that he's objectively wrong about Holy Paladins playing that way at the top level. There's simply not a single log of a competent Holy Paladin who plays that way.

At the the top level, you play with tanks that aren't fucking retards and can stay alive for more than 2 seconds at a time without having a healer chain-casting on them. If you literally just chain-cast on the tanks, with competent players on your team, your overhealing would approach 100%. It's already 80-90% on Beacon when playing with a competent, non-warrior tank in most situations - and this is when playing correctly and effectively completely ignoring the tanks.

Your friend is simply wrong and is talking out of his ass with absolutely no solid evidence or experience as pertaining to his claims.

[Floopa]

how you play paladin at highest level

1) acquire trinket
2) beacon tank 1 and tank 2
3) holy shock on CD
4) holy light/flash of light after HS always
5) win healing because the spec is dumb

[mtvoelker]

how you play paladin at highest level

1) acquire trinket
2) beacon tank 1 and tank 2
3) holy shock on CD
4) holy light/flash of light after HS always
5) win healing because the spec is dumb

The sodium content is approaching dangerous levels in this response.

[Jackielope]

Even back in Wrath paladins weren't just pure tank heals. If only one tank was going and someone needed a spot heal then a paladin could quickly toss one out and still heal the tank.

Sticking only to the tank is wrong unless they are absolutely getting hammered.

[CloudedInSanity]

i refuse to believe anyone is stupid enough to think this is real

Floopa you and I agree on something Holy Paladin related... this world may start self destructing any minute now...

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The sodium content is approaching dangerous levels in this response.

Lol there is a ton of salt but he's not far off. Mistweavers (fight permitting) can still outperform Paladins on some fights.

[Deleted]

Like I said guys - if I say something reasonable like "but what if the tank is 90%+ hp" ------ "YOU ONLY HEAL TANKS! THATS THE WAY OUR ABSORBS WORK, the absorbs are THAT STRONG!" Is the response I get. It's at the point now I can't be bothered to argue and since I'm not "qualified" I came here.

[CloudedInSanity]

Like I said guys - if I say something reasonable like "but what if the tank is 90%+ hp" ------ "YOU ONLY HEAL TANKS! THATS THE WAY OUR ABSORBS WORK, the absorbs are THAT STRONG!" Is the response I get. It's at the point now I can't be bothered to argue and since I'm not "qualified" I came here.

He's completely, 100%, wrong. Nothing else to say, our absorbs are not that strong. You should inform him that Paladin's are the strongest spot healers in the game and him not spot healing the raid is causing them to die which is as much of his job as healing the tanks.

[Astynax]

Link us his logs and progress. I guarantee you if all he's doing is tank healing he's gimping the raid and wasting a raid spot

[Deleted]

Link us his logs and progress. I guarantee you if all he's doing is tank healing he's gimping the raid and wasting a raid spot

This is the case

[furyaus]

Strangely if you go with Number 1 you can actually have a higher output on high damage fights (like Butcher). This is because you can use just Flash of Light (no holy light). The mana refunded from casting on tanks and a decent set of gear with spirit allows you to just go on forever.

So on fights with high tank damage - if you direct heal tanks more and have all other healers focus raid - you end up with better numbers and can have higher output for longer.

Ultimately though, a middle ground between the two is best. And obviously its a complete waste when the tanks are not sustaining serious damage or other healers are also healing them.

[scmeck]

So on fights with high tank damage - if you direct heal tanks more and have all other healers focus raid - you end up with better numbers and can have higher output for longer.

Healing one of your beacons equals to higher output, got it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FopyRHHlt3M

[furyaus]

Healing one of your beacons equals to higher output, got it.

Thanks for being so constructive and not reading anything I wrote....

[Deleted]

The sodium content is approaching dangerous levels in this response.

You obviously don't know the eternal hate Floopa has towards Holy Paladins.

[scmeck]

Thanks for being so constructive and not reading anything I wrote....

Name one scenario where healing the tanks (beacons) and letting other healers take care of the raid is beneficial from a HPS perspective.

Edit: I understand that you don't actually play like this or that you think it's the better way to play, but your statement regarding it being at all beneficial is just plain wrong.

[siccora]

well how can anybody "win" healing? on meters? lol one tranq, spirit link or whatever at the right time and the fight is over. if you dont have that in your comp then gg.