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  1. #21
    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    Is that a solution really? Never ever trust your partner in having intimate memorabilia of you?
    Scumbag people do scumbag things. It's about who you trust in the end. Not every ex is going to do such things. But yes to play it safe, stop sexting all together
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  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by salerac View Post
    It's less fun if its less taboo
    so? am i supposed to feel bad for you that you will have less sex if society changes their view of sex?

    i dont, sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    So removing taboo will suddenly stop sexual abuse both verbally and potential physically due to these sites
    already said you can never prevent violent ppl from being violent, call the cops on violent ppl, just like you do now

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    Quote Originally Posted by HomeHoney View Post
    so? am i supposed to feel bad for you that you will have less sex if society changes their view of sex?

    i dont, sorry

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    already said you can never prevent violent ppl from being violent, call the cops on violent ppl, just like you do now
    Then removing taboo will do fuck all with the fundamental issue Revenge Porn has

  4. #24
    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    Is that a solution really? Never ever trust your partner in having intimate memorabilia of you?
    that's exactly what trust is. if there's no possibility of a betrayal then there's no need for trust. we trust that people will not take the opportunities they have to hurt us

    we also trust that our internet security will keep our emails and documents secure, unfortunately these securities can sometimes prove less reliable than we would hope (as it's often a case of extra security only being added when a breach draws attention to a vulnerability)

    ultimately if you have sensitive documents in the possession of any other person or on any computer connected to the internet you have to be aware of the chance, no matter how small, that the privacy will be breached. that's not to excuse those who do violate the privacy (whether by betrayal and/or hacking) though, it's a shitty thing to do that can cause serious psychological harm especially in the more vulnerable people (who are presumably more easily persuaded to make and share naked pictures for example) and made even worse by the sharing of such things usually being motivated by a desire to deliberately harm. revenge porn is, from what I understand, more often a case of trying to humiliate someone rather than a desire to share

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by salerac View Post
    It's less fun if its less taboo
    Nice to see you here, Marquis de Sade. How are things in France?

  6. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    Then removing taboo will do fuck all with the fundamental issue Revenge Porn has
    revenge porn is not about getting violent ppl to go after someone, its about getting society to reject them and if society doesn't see sex as taboo, then society is not going to reject them

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by adam86shadow View Post
    Again the issue isn't about shame but more the reaction of others
    Who are these "others" you are so worried about? Employer... could make for an awkward working environment but if you have a rational adult conversation about what you do in your free time is your business and it will not affect your work... I doubt they'll hold it against you. Colleagues/ co-workers/ acquaintances... yup, it happened... now where is that TPS report or do I need to report you to HR for harassment? Priest (or equivalent)... ask for forgiveness in your faith... or change denominations to one that is more tolerant. Parents... they've seen you naked. Friends... will probably have your back and say it was a douche move of so-n-so. Random creep on facebook or worse walking down the street... Yes, I know I'm awesome... now go away.

    It's really not a big deal until the "ashamed" party makes it into a big deal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    No, it is even simpler.
    Me sending naked pictures to a single person does not give them the right to throw them publicly onto the internet.

    It's really that simple.

    Oh yes, and theft can be solved if people would just give up their possessions willingly.
    And rape wouldn't be an issue if those girls would just stop resisting.

    I don't care whether there is a taboo or not. It's freaking personal and nobody should spread it on the internet.
    What you are saying is basically: "The solution to this crime is if the victim doesn't care about it."
    That is disgusting.

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    I'm going to knock you out and steal all of your money.
    It's not really a big deal until you make it into a big deal.
    I am sensing a lot of victim blaming here which I should've expected

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    I don't care whether there is a taboo or not. It's freaking personal and nobody should spread it on the internet.
    If it wasn't taboo it wouldn't be "personal".
    If a video of you eating pizza gets out nobody would care because everybody eats pizza. Everybody also has sex, probably more often than eating pizza (unless you're really fat), but apparently they like to pretend that they don't and act shocked if there is proof that someone else did it. Society is full of hyper-sensitive hypocrites.

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    The whole "don't take pictures" thing is pretty identical to the "don't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant" form of birth control and comes from the exact same belief that sex is something shameful and should be punished. As a species, we effectively separated sex from reproductive decades ago, but a lot of people haven't gotten the memo.

    Nevermind that revenge porn is a crime in a lot of places and should be anywhere it isn't. We don't blame the victim by saying "if you weren't prepared for it to be stolen, why did you buy it?" After somebody breaks in to their home and takes their flat screen. To be even more apt, do you tell the male in a relationship "well, guess you shouldn't have invested money in that thing" after Kerry underwood carves her name in to his leather seats? No, because destruction of personal property is a crime, so is theft, and so is revenge porn, but the last gets treated differently because it involves sex.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    No, it is even simpler.
    Me sending naked pictures to a single person does not give them the right to throw them publicly onto the internet.
    One's a lot easier to police than the other. Policing people online (notoriously difficult at the best of times), versus people policing themselves and their own actions/behaviour (surprisingly easy, provided people exercise a little common sense and personal responsibility).

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    Quote Originally Posted by GodlyBob View Post
    The whole "don't take pictures" thing is pretty identical to the "don't have sex if you don't want to get pregnant" form of birth control and comes from the exact same belief that sex is something shameful and should be punished. As a species, we effectively separated sex from reproductive decades ago, but a lot of people haven't gotten the memo.
    The consequences of sex are (for better or worse) a lot easier to handle than the consequences of putting something online; the latter having a large tendency to go out of your control very quickly. This isn't about people getting memos; it's about whether problems can be practically and realistically dealt with.

    If you have an effective way to police the internet, be my guest. The general, unspoken rule until then is that once something's online; there's really not a lot you, or anyone else can do about it. Any attempts to 'properly' police the internet almost invariably result in breaches of privacy (ironically), which have a habit of going very strongly opposed; as we saw with SOPA/PIPA.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    ...I'm going to knock you out and steal all of your money.
    It's not really a big deal until you make it into a big deal.
    You can try anything once... but you ever touch me I will shoot you... I will kill you... then I will spit on your grieving family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austilias View Post
    One's a lot easier to police than the other. Policing people online (notoriously difficult at the best of times), versus people policing themselves and their own actions/behaviour (surprisingly easy, provided people exercise a little common sense and personal responsibility).

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    The consequences of sex are (for better or worse) a lot easier to handle than the consequences of putting something online; the latter having a large tendency to go out of your control very quickly. This isn't about people getting memos; it's about whether problems can be practically and realistically dealt with.

    If you have an effective way to police the internet, be my guest. The general, unspoken rule until then is that once something's online; there's really not a lot you, or anyone else can do about it. Any attempts to 'properly' police the internet almost invariably result in breaches of privacy (ironically), which have a habit of going very strongly opposed; as we saw with SOPA/PIPA.
    I'm not saying that we can scramble our SWAT hacker team and take off every single naked picture that ended up online. I'm saying that nonchalantly proclaiming it's the victim's fault and doing nothing about the actual perpetrator because of the aforementioned "we can't get the pictures back" is simply ludicrous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Austilias View Post
    One's a lot easier to police than the other. Policing people online (notoriously difficult at the best of times), versus people policing themselves and their own actions/behaviour (surprisingly easy, provided people exercise a little common sense and personal responsibility).

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    The consequences of sex are (for better or worse) a lot easier to handle than the consequences of putting something online; the latter having a large tendency to go out of your control very quickly. This isn't about people getting memos; it's about whether problems can be practically and realistically dealt with.

    If you have an effective way to police the internet, be my guest. The general, unspoken rule until then is that once something's online; there's really not a lot you, or anyone else can do about it. Any attempts to 'properly' police the internet almost invariably result in breaches of privacy (ironically), which have a habit of going very strongly opposed; as we saw with SOPA/PIPA.
    You're aware people have been arrested and sentenced for revenge porn?

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    ...Ooh lol, internet tough guy.
    Not just on the internet son... but feel free to test that assumption.

    ...Why are you making such a big deal out of it?
    Crimes aren't crimes when you stop making a big deal out of it!
    Crime is a crime whenever you break a law. I was referencing the social stigma surrounding the victims. Which goes beyond the act into the consequences after the damage has been done. Justice should be swift and severe against those who perpetrate the crime. However, justice doesn't undo the damage. Damage control is what I was focusing on.

  16. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by HomeHoney View Post
    until society learns to see sex as normal instead of taboo, sex will always be used as a threat

    IE: if there was no social stigma attached to sex, there would be no way to socially threaten ppl with sex
    That is untrue, just because something has no social stigma attached to it does not mean you suddenly don't care if it is made public.

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    Now this is an Adam thread.
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  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by Kalium View Post
    You can try anything once... but you ever touch me I will shoot you... I will kill you... then I will spit on your grieving family.
    Internet tough guy. Repeat that in front of witnesses that can identify you and you will find yourself a laughing stock or in a sanatorium. Depending on wether the judge takes you serious.

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    It's a disgusting trend, caused more than a few suicides and ruined lives. It is illegal, but tracking down everyone who does it would require a massive increase in resources for cyber crime departments everywhere, not to mention international cooperation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schuetze View Post
    If you don't want naked pictures of you floating around the web, don't take naked pictures and send it to other people. Even better, don't take naked pictures.

    It's that simple.
    This, to me, feels like putting responsibility in the wrong hands. Yes of course, if you take private pictures/film, you are increasing the risk of them getting out - but at the same time I think you should be able to trust both your partner and various cloud services with sensitive information. It's the same with secrets and other personal information you don't want the world to know, should you not be able to share them with a partner you trust?

    It's a good idea to educate people about the dangers, but ultimately it shouldn't be expected that people never do it. Are you being reckless if you share sex tapes with people you can't trust? Absolutely. Are you being reckless if you share them with a trusted long-time partner? Not in my opinion.

  20. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by Schuetze View Post
    If you don't want naked pictures of you floating around the web, don't take naked pictures and send it to other people. Even better, don't take naked pictures.

    It's that simple.
    We were all young and we all made mistakes. Naked pictures happen. But these sites also put up contact information like email, Facebook and home addresses and that is completely unacceptable.
    When in doubt, simply ask yourself: "What would Garrosh do?"

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