Gender Pay Gap Debunked: Earnings vs College Degree Choice

[Floopa]

the pay gap doesn't exist. anyone who thinks it does lives in the Middle East or is living in a fairy tale land.

[Deleted]

Because you're assuming a lot of things that may not be true.

Alright. So what is true. Why do men Earn more than women when it's illegal to do so and a simple accoutant can make you a lawsuit case.

[luc54]

I'll repeat it because I like being ignored by the OP, makes me feel justified: the pay gap is within the same career at the same levels. Not across the entire employment spectrum.

If that were the case most of the time, whenever you see discussion about the wage gap in politics it's quite common to see the misguided 81 cents or even 74 being quoted. It's not good time for me to see the study, but

hat a 6.6 percent
difference in annual earnings remains between
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is being quoted. I'm not 100% sure if this actually includes hours worked as well compensated. I can't look at the research anymore tonight so I'll see tomorrow how it's done.

[Dendrek]

Considering the way the OP represents his argument, it seems pretty clear he's not interested in being honest. I don't personally know if the pay gap is real, but when the "debunkers" use incorrect data comparisons or else simply jump in with trite "everyone already knows it's been debunked" declarations with nothing substantial at all to prove their point, I'm inclined to think that side of the debate is full of shit.

[Hammerfest]

the pay gap doesn't exist. anyone who thinks it does lives in the Middle East or is living in a fairy tale land.

Agreed. It's an illusion created by a political ideology that benefits from pushing the myth.

[unbound]

Not only is that not debunking, it is horrible analysis. When you have data plots with that much variance in data, those trend lines are just short of useless.

Additionally, he is ignoring other data sets such as the fact that women in the same jobs earn less. So the last statement you put in bold is debunked.

[Fleckens]

3> The current social and educational paradigm still pushes women and men towards gender-differentiated roles, which is why this discrepancy has continued. This is why male nurses and teachers are still not as prevalent as women in those fields, for instance.

While you are correct in that men and women are in some degree being pushed towards different roles, that's not necesarily the only reason for why you for example see less male nurses or teachers. Men and women are different in many ways, and women generally tend to prefer jobs that involve social interactions more than men do, while men are more likely to take the less social and often more dangerous jobs.

As for the paygap issue, I don't know enough to comment on it properly, but from what i've read it seems to be a bit of exaggeration from both sides of the argument. One claiming there's no gap at all, and the other side claiming it's more larger than it actually is. Getting it perfectl will probably be impossible, but we should at least aim to have the same jobs give the same pay for both genders.

[Anyael]

The gender pay gap within the same positions in the same company is something like 3%. Hardly game-changing. You'll have to forgive me for not having sources on hand, I don't really care about this insane talking point which has been debunked countless times.

[Deleted]

I did not write a single line in my post. All the graphs and words are copy pasted from the site I linked.

The point of the study is that men and women choose different college degrees that lead to different jobs.

[Deleted]

So some degrees have a tendency to pay more than others, and some degrees tend to be more populated by one gender than the others.

Not sure that counts as gender pay gap, more just trends of degrees worth to the market (or rather competitiveness), and who takes those degrees. Something I am fairly sure hasn't really been targeted as some form of inequality (at least from sane people).

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I did not write a single line in my post. All the graphs and words are copy pasted from the site I linked.

The point of the study is that men and women choose different college degrees that lead to different jobs.

Odd, seeing as the thread is named Gender Pay Gap Debunked..., some of those words aren't even in the article, so did they magically disappear from you posting it to now, or did you try and make an untrue statement?

[breadisfunny]

Spends too much time in red pill subreddits/"manosphere".

and you spend too much time in the exodar.

[Cthulhu 2020]

So what about the pay gap that exists even within the same discipline?

[Lolretadin]

You are aware the pay gap is based on selections from the same vocational demographic, yes?

I hope you're not referring to the 23 cent pay gap that has been thoroughly debunked, and rather the imperfect-yet-still-more-precise 4 cent pay gap that's known to exist. Even then, we don't know the cause of this 4 cent gap, so defaulting to the argument that it's definitely caused by discrimination is silly either way.

[Elim Garak]

So what about the pay gap that exists even within the same discipline?

It doesn't exist. Some people may earn more than others, because that's what they have agreed upon during the negotiation of the pay, or they might be putting extra effort into their work and get a raise more often - while still being of the same skill as others.

But the "gender" pay gap - doesn't exist in western world.

[Lolretadin]

http://www.npr.org/sections/health-s...ore-than-women

I don't know if you read the article you linked or not, but it even points out that they didn't account for many variables, leaving out negotiated pay, preferred shifts and the pay of said shifts by time, the small sample size of men relative to women means that the data for women is more precise, and I can only imagine what else as the study is behind a pay wall.

I'm also dubious of the reliability of a study done by the AAUW - which is an advocacy group - though I will admit beforehand that I did not read their study yet, and I might not depending on it's length (there are limits on the lengths I'm willing to go for these repetitive threads).

[twiddler]

the pay gap doesn't exist. anyone who thinks it does lives in the Middle East or is living in a fairy tale land.

The IT industry is the lightning rod to this occasionally common debate and I assure you that no one is arguing about 23 cents.

[Cthulhu 2020]

It doesn't exist. Some people may earn more than others, because that's what they have agreed upon during the negotiation of the pay, or they might be putting extra effort into their work and get a raise more often - while still being of the same skill as others.

But the "gender" pay gap - doesn't exist in western world.

False. It was demonstrated even on the last page. It exists among all disciplines in the 5-10% range.

[twiddler]

I did not write a single line in my post. All the graphs and words are copy pasted from the site I linked.

The point of the study is that men and women choose different college degrees that lead to different jobs.

You wrote the headline.

[Lolretadin]

False. It was demonstrated even on the last page. It exists among all disciplines in the 5-10% range.

It does exist.
It's not across all disciplines.
The average is the 4% range, as noted by studies conducted for the Department of Labor.
We don't know what the cause is, or if we're accounting for every variable that may impact pay.

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You wrote the headline.

Basically this.
Xarim, you basically created a thread with a title that is not fitting for the content. You didn't debunk the pay gap.

[Elim Garak]

False. It was demonstrated even on the last page. It exists among all disciplines in the 5-10% range.

No, the "gender gap" doesn't exist. Some variations in pay do.