How well would the Lich King do in these 1v1 fights?

[Notshauna]

He'd beat everyone but Deathwing and Archimonde without a sweat. The Lich King is one of the few characters able to routinely at will kill someone, my personal measure of a truly godlike being. To say that he'd lose to the elemental lords in quite the underestimate, as the elemental lords are roughly BAM (Big-Ass Monster, the foes Hercules slayed during his adventures) tier along with the ancients and aspects, powerful but not something that rewrites the goal of the conflict simply by existing. You can hope to kill a BAM, it's a common fantasy trope for heroes of legends to face a BAM in single combat and win, but a truly godlike foe is about moving the goal posts.

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He'd beat everyone but Deathwing and Archimonde without a sweat. The Lich King is one of the few characters able to routinely at will kill someone, my personal measure of a truly godlike being. To say that he'd lose to the elemental lords in quite the underestimate, as the elemental lords are roughly BAM (Big-Ass Monster, the foes Hercules slayed during his adventures) tier along with the ancients and aspects, powerful but not something that rewrites the goal of the conflict simply by existing. You can hope to kill a BAM, it's a common fantasy trope for heroes of legends to face a BAM in single combat and win, but a truly godlike foe is about moving the goal posts.

The Elemental Lords are the most trusted generals in the Old Gods armies, The Aspects got their powers from the motherfcking Titans and were left by them on Azeroth to defend it.

Edit: He is not that powerfull without his scourge.

[IzoGray]

The Elemental Lords are the most trusted generals in the Old Gods armies, The Aspects got their powers from the motherfcking Titans and were left by them on Azeroth to defend it.

Edit: He is not that powerfull without his scourge.

OK, why do you say that? People's reasoning for this seems to be because he got his powers form Kil'Jaeden. IIRC, Ner'zhul got the helm and sword from KJ, and then fused with Arthas to make a, basically, new being. Lich King can kill with a snap of his fingers, he is a death demi god. The elemental lords don't have the power from necromancy or death.



Everyone who wants to talk about levels and how how we beat Deathwing and Lei Shen after, I just want to point out that levels don't exist in lore. A much smaller and weaker orc army just gave us issue when realistically any one of our characters can steam roll the entire army (or should be able to) solo

[Nefroz]

This question is biased agaisnt the lichking. Unlike the opponents the lichkings army is part of his powers most are not volunteers they are literally controlled and raised by his power. Taking them away is like saying ragnaros has to fight without fire, or superman doesnt have super strength for this fight. The scourge is as much a part of the lich king as fire is a part of ragnaros or water neptulon.

[Kaleredar]

Arthas would win against Soulbinder Tuulani and Lei Shen. He'd probably lose the others.


Also: whooo 12,000 posts.

[Nirathiel]

He'd probably lose against them all aside from Tuulani and possibly Lei Shen.

[Eon Drache]

This, and the aspects are powerful but are still weak compare to a lot of heavy hitters. We were able to defeat the aspect of time in his infinite form without any help. We defeated Malygos without any help somewhat. I say Malorne, Lich King, rag and nep would be above a aspect's power.

Murozond wasn't without help. Malygos wasn't without help.

We had the Hourglass during the Murozond encounter. Or do you not remember 5 Blood lusts back to back to back to back to back?

And as for Malygos, we had the red Dragonflight. Lorewise and in-game to assist us in doing mos to the damage to Malygos.

[LegendaryDude]

I have only 1 question: why do all off bis enemies get to fight on their home turf? Shouldn't it be more neutral?

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He'd probably lose against them all aside from Tuulani and possibly Lei Shen.

This is the only correct answer.

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OK, why do you say that? People's reasoning for this seems to be because he got his powers form Kil'Jaeden. IIRC, Ner'zhul got the helm and sword from KJ, and then fused with Arthas to make a, basically, new being. Lich King can kill with a snap of his fingers, he is a death demi god. The elemental lords don't have the power from necromancy or death.



Everyone who wants to talk about levels and how how we beat Deathwing and Lei Shen after, I just want to point out that levels don't exist in lore. A much smaller and weaker orc army just gave us issue when realistically any one of our characters can steam roll the entire army (or should be able to) solo

Where does it say that he is a demi god of death? And how can he kill with the snap of his fingers?

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This is the only correct answer.

agreed on that one.

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This question is biased agaisnt the lichking. Unlike the opponents the lichkings army is part of his powers most are not volunteers they are literally controlled and raised by his power. Taking them away is like saying ragnaros has to fight without fire, or superman doesnt have super strength for this fight. The scourge is as much a part of the lich king as fire is a part of ragnaros or water neptulon.

Yep his power is in the his servants.

[IzoGray]

Where does it say that he is a demi god of death? And how can he kill with the snap of his fingers?

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agreed on that one.

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Yep his power is in the his servants.

Has unlimited power to raise people beings from undeath. Killed us with a snap of his fingers as well.

Note that the only reason he lost was because a part of Arthas was holding back the entire time.

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Has unlimited power to raise people beings from undeath. Killed us with a snap of his fingers as well.

Note that the only reason he lost was because a part of Arthas was holding back the entire time.

Yeah and then all of us got ressurected by an old man ghost.

The only reason he lost was because another old man broke his sword.

[xso111]

Arthas was already by far the strongest deathknight. He became godlike once he fused with Ner'zhul. The Lick King's powers grows with every death and soul he consumes. He was the only boss in the history of warcraft to wipe out the heros. Another example was how he killed Saurfang Jr with absolute ease and turned give him into a deathknight. Later deathknight Saurfang jr easily defeats high overlord Saurfang, one of the strongest orc warriors. So by him just giving a tiny tiny bit of his powers, he was able to make a weak orc into something that could easily defeat a extremely powerful orc. There are more examples of course but don't wanna list them all lol.

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The aspects were afraid of him in wrath, even Deathwing waited until the scourge threat was taken care of before coming out. And i always found a elemental lord or malorne, leader of the ancients stronger than a single aspect.

the aspects weren't afraid of him, they're just preoccupied Neltharion has gone bonkers, Nozordumu was trapped in time, Ysera was trapped in the Emerald Dream, Malygos has gone bonkers as well, and Alextrasza the only aspect that's available and sees Malygos as a bigger threat than LK.

Malorne>Aspects, you lost all credibilty there, i'd even put the dragon consorts or wyrms on par with the demigods. Malorne's neck was physically snapped by Archimonde, malygos took a full demon soul(which was speculated to be able to end Archimonde) to the face and survive, sindragosa survive the initial demon soul blast to the face, only to die later due to the injury of the said attack.

1)Ragnaros
2)Al Akir
3)Neptulon
3)Deathwing
4)LichKing
5)Chromatus
6)Lich King
7)Really?
8) LK

[Lolretadin]

It all depends on how the Lich King's powers interact with each enemy. The only one that would be a definite loss for him would be Archimonde, but the others would vary depending. That said, in instances where you suppose that his powers over death don't function, you're essentially taking away all (most; his strongest) his magical abilities, and asking the question "Who is physically stronger", which is almost never going to be him; he's a (undead) human with powerful magic.

[Deleted]

Guys, the LK is strong because of the plague and all the soul stuff. That's literally useless against an elemental lord, and most of the listed boss for that matter.

[Deleted]

the Lich King is the only one of these villains with a proper story and buildup except for Lei Shen, that is.

[TheCookieGod]

Pretty sure the Lich King has been referred to as 'God-like' and a few sources have called him a demi-god, so I don't think his chances against some of these are as laughable as a few people seem to think.

He'd slaughter Tuulani, win against Malorne, give the elemental lords a good fight, but lose against Neptulon and Ragnaros, Deathwing would cave his skull in and giggle like a little girl while he did it, and Archimonde would bend him over and make him kiss his own frozen, frost-bitten ass.


Only one I'm not sure on is Lei-Shen, since the two of them have somewhat similar accomplishments. They're god-like beings without actually being gods, used to be mortal and rose to greater power after claiming the power of another for themselves. I'd say Lei-Shen would win 6 in 10 fights, just because Lei-Shen's power is much more physical and and fighting himself, whereas the Lich King, while powerful in his own right, is aided much moreso by being such a powerful necromancer.


tl;dr in the overall hierarchy of big badasses in Warcraft, I'd rank the Lich King up with other demi-gods like the Ancients and Dragon Aspects (sans Deathwing), with the Elemental Lords edging him out, and anything above that (Arch and Kil'jaeden, any Old God, etc) killing him with ease.

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Why didn't he use it against Kil'jaeden then?
Oh, that's right. Because it doesn't.

Te Lich King (we're talking about) never met with Kil'jaedan.

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Pretty sure the Lich King has been referred to as 'God-like' and a few sources have called him a demi-god, so I don't think his chances against some of these are as laughable as a few people seem to think.

He'd slaughter Tuulani, win against Malorne, give the elemental lords a good fight, but lose against Neptulon and Ragnaros, Deathwing would cave his skull in and giggle like a little girl while he did it, and Archimonde would bend him over and make him kiss his own frozen, frost-bitten ass.


Only one I'm not sure on is Lei-Shen, since the two of them have somewhat similar accomplishments. They're god-like beings without actually being gods, used to be mortal and rose to greater power after claiming the power of another for themselves. I'd say Lei-Shen would win 6 in 10 fights, just because Lei-Shen's power is much more physical and and fighting himself, whereas the Lich King, while powerful in his own right, is aided much moreso by being such a powerful necromancer.


tl;dr in the overall hierarchy of big badasses in Warcraft, I'd rank the Lich King up with other demi-gods like the Ancients and Dragon Aspects (sans Deathwing), with the Elemental Lords edging him out, and anything above that (Arch and Kil'jaeden, any Old God, etc) killing him with ease.

Well I wouldn't agree with this. Arhimonde and Kil'jaedan are powerful commanders but not actual fighters. For Deathwing ... too hard to say, but he wouldn't be so much stronger, no way. We alone could nuke Deathwing until the old Gods' powers came into play, we had the help of the Aspects when we were actually fighting an Old God manifastation after Deathwing has been brought down. As for Ragnaros, well he was killed in his own realm by three druids and us, but it's too hard to say.

In the end, it's still only Lich King that actually killed us, no other boss managed to do that.

[Sengiratolom]

In the end, it's still only Lich King that actually killed us, no other boss managed to do that.

Geddon in MC? Vaalezatras in BWL? Mandokir in ZG? Terron Gorefiend in BT?

Out of those and LK, only Vael and terron actually kill you regardless of hp iirc, the rest just deals a larger amount of damage.

LK is a necromancer with knowledge of some frost magic. He would beat Tuulani, and probably lei shen, rest would just dispose of him.

[Deleted]

In the end, it's still only Lich King that actually killed us, no other boss managed to do that.

Try to fight Madness without the aspects.

We're speaking on how one can manage to win against the LK in the lore, not regarding the gameplay. And...



That's a strong plague, for sure, but entities like Malorne or elemental lords would laugh at it.