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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    Uh, no, thought crimes are not illegal.
    is it enough for a pedophile to go through life only thinking about it?
    far to many it isn't enough. many it starts with sear catalogue looking at children in underwear then to nudist pics of children then to hard core kiddie porn then to rape
    so when do we stop it when does it become a problem that it needs to be stopped
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    is it enough for a pedophile to go through life only thinking about it?
    many it isn't many it starts with sear catalogue looking at children in underwear then to nudist pics of children then to hard core kiddie porn then to rape
    You seem to know an awful lot about this...

    Regardless, it is unreasonable to take legal action without pretense. And guessing whether or not someone will eventually commit a crime is not a reasonable pretense. You're basically saying that gun owners should be arrested for murder because eventually they'll get tired of shooting clays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzl View Post
    You seem to know an awful lot about this...

    Regardless, it is unreasonable to take legal action without pretense. And guessing whether or not someone will eventually commit a crime is not a reasonable pretense. You're basically saying that gun owners should be arrested for murder because eventually they'll get tired of shooting clays.
    im referring to them being told they need help or even being forced to seek help

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninaran View Post
    The funny part is that they'd at least understand it. Maybe not support it, but they'd understand it.
    Unlike you.
    Can you test that out and see how it goes? And no, i will never understand a Pedophile. But you're free to go make friends with them or whatever.


    Quote Originally Posted by Everwake View Post
    So you linked a study done by two Christian psychologists who work at two Christian colleges (Wheaton and Regent), and didn't bother to check whether their work was peer-reviewed outside of the "flock"? You just googled "is it possible to change sexual orientation" and rolled with it, didn't you? Yes, you did.

    This is how bad science spreads. It's called "confirmation bias", and it's easier than ever with the advent of the internet, where anything can be true if you look hard enough.
    As opposed to you? Who fails to link any study that says otherwise?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everwake View Post
    Your equivocations are tiresome. Comparing sexuality to food preference and alcohol addiction is barely worth responding to. Please educate yourself on the matter rather than using arbitrary terms like "evil" (is a tiger evil for eating a baby?), because it just shows your argument to be unlettered.
    alcohol addiction and the will to overcome an addiction is no laughing matter. The fact that you simply brush it aside shows your argument to be non existant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    what's is the answer?
    I don't know, but I suspect not thinking of them as something evil would be a good start. Future progress may alleviate their suffering with sex robots, virtual reality, or hedonistic shift of society. The only possible solution today that I know of is control achieved with use of substances or castration. I wouldn't force anybody to either, but if it alleviates their urges and they want to use these methods, it should be covered by insurance.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howling Wind View Post
    Child birth is dangerous to very young females as their body hasnt fully developed to handle the stress.

    Im talking about PEDOPHILES. Popping a boner to a GROWN MAN'S butt is quite different from popping a boner to a 10 year old's butt. I have nothing against gays. But Pedophiles get no sympathy from me.
    Birth is dangerous regardless of age as females developed pevic large enough to allow for human CNS delivery and small enough to allow running locomotion. 10 years old female is generally not fertile, but it's only your arbitrary number. Is a 30 years old attracted to a 15 years old a pedophile?

    Do you have sex for the sole purpose of procreation or do you use the current technology and knowledge to evade pregnancy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    im referring to them being told they need help or even being forced to seek help
    Okay, that's slightly better, but again, you're making the assumption that pedophiles will eventually become criminals one way or another, which just isn't true.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Summoner View Post
    I don't know, but I suspect not thinking of them as something evil would be a good start. Future progress may alleviate their suffering with sex robots, virtual reality, or hedonistic shift of society. The only possible solution today that I know of is control achieved with use of substances or castration. I wouldn't force anybody to either, but if it alleviates their urges and they want to use these methods, it should be covered by insurance.
    My money's on this one. In terms of sexual freedoms, society has basically moved in one direction since the dawn of agriculture, which is towards more sexual freedom. I'd give it a couple of centuries though.

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    The site is aimed at nudists, so odds are the intent wasn't for pedophilia. However that wouldn't stop a pedo from wanting to view and buy such photos, so that in itself creates a problem.

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    Well, imho, that site is too sketchy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    so if you cant change some ones sexual orientation what sort of treatment do we have for pedophiles? do we chemically castrate them so they have no sexual arousal of any kind? that would be a hell of away to go through life? do we allow them to look at nudist pics of children hoping it will stay enough to satisfy their urges and wont escalate to kiddie born then to rape of a poor child?
    There is no treatment. Can gays be treated? My suggestion would be some kind of sex doll line and, maybe in the future, computer generated child pornography. Both are victimless outlets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Excellion View Post
    I have no problem with nudist or nudity in general...but I always thought it was odd that adults would include children in nudist activities...
    Yeah its odd when they take their children to the store, or movies, or church or anywhere really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howling Wind
    As opposed to you? Who fails to link any study that says otherwise?
    Here's the consensus opinion of the APA, which has over one hundred thousand members: http://www.apa.org/about/policy/sexual-orientation.aspx

    alcohol addiction and the will to overcome an addiction is no laughing matter. The fact that you simply brush it aside shows your argument to be non existant.
    Your response is a non-sequitur. I never laughed, nor brushed anything aside. You can't compare alcohol addiction to sexual orientation any more than you can compare apples to bowling balls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Everwake View Post
    Here's the consensus opinion of the APA, which has over one hundred thousand members: http://www.apa.org/about/policy/sexual-orientation.aspx



    Your response is a non-sequitur. I never laughed, nor brushed anything aside. You can't compare alcohol addiction to sexual orientation any more than you can compare apples to bowling balls.
    So you're comparing Pedophiles to gay people huh? Why dont you walk up to a gay person and compare their lifestyle to that of a pedophile, and see what they say. Or better yet can any gay person reading this chime in and give their thought on being compared to pedophiles? I am genuinely curious about the answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howling Wind View Post
    Or better yet can any gay person reading this chime in and give their thought on being compared to pedophiles? I am genuinely curious about the answer.
    So, when did you decide on being straight?
    Do you have any fetishes? And if so, when did you decide to get aroused by them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gumboy View Post
    The issue is, posting pictures of "Nudism" online, when it is children, is 100% certainly being used by pedophiles to get off, period.
    Problem with child porno is not that pedos get off, but because childs are abused. Can't see how child being naked can be abusive for a child, unless its winter or child is forced to be naked.

    If it's pedos who get off what grinds your gear - then who the fuck cares, there is people who get off to a drawn pictures of ponies
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howling Wind View Post
    So you're comparing Pedophiles to gay people huh? Why dont you walk up to a gay person and compare their lifestyle to that of a pedophile, and see what they say. Or better yet can any gay person reading this chime in and give their thought on being compared to pedophiles? I am genuinely curious about the answer.
    If the gay person objects he just does not understand what the word Pedophile mean. Hes probably thinking about child molester. I am an Heterosexual, my lifestyle is pretty comparable to both Homosexuals and Pedophiles, in that i feel arousal at certain traits, mines just happens to be a women body. It does not mean i RAPE women or view video of them getting raped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mall Security View Post
    A child generally lacks the capacity to have a two way relationship in a sexual capacity, so yes, it is a fetish, not the same as say a gay or heterosexual couple, who are committed to one another for more than just sex, but even they aren't, being gay doesn't automatically assign that you are loving someone or wanting sex with someone incapable of making that informed consent.

    Love that is nothing but a 1 way street isn't love, especially when you don't acknowledge the harm your sexual actions would have. So yeah, I reject the notion that pedophilia is either love, or anything other than a sick fetish, and whether it is genetic or someone is born that way is irrelevant, that isn't the singular threshold for why it is illegal anything else is not.
    You're absolutely right that children aren't capable of having an adult relationship. But pedophilia is at the core a sexual attraction, but much more comparable to sexual orientations than fetishes, because their feelings aren't exclusively sexually - many feel love as well. And as far as I'm aware, they don't want adult relationships with children - because children can't do that. "Honey, I'm home" - it's just not realistic. You think that's what pedophiles want? I doubt it. Aside from that, I believe children can love people to bits, it's just a really innocent and childlike form of love. Not sexual (except perhaps according to Freud).

    So I'm a straight person and I am sexually attracted to women and can fall in love with them. Might want to have a relationship when that happens. Pedophiles are sexually attracted to children and can fall in love with them. They can't have a relationship when that happens, though, because they can't. That's tough for them.

    The difference is that one attraction can be practised with two consenting parties and without problems, and the other can't. The attraction itself might not be all that dissimilar though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howling Wind View Post
    So it's possible to be born a pedophile? Seems paradoxical to me.
    I believe people generally find out about it during their teenage years, more or less when straight and gay people find out about their specific sexual preferences. Except they can't put a name to it until a bit later, when they notice that they're not normally gay or straight. Whether that preference was already latently "present" from birth or not, is very hard to say, as it is with homosexuality. Except that's much easier to study.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    Whereas on the contrary to Pedophilia
    http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/f...ing-pedophilia
    So, it's established for nearly 50 years.
    About time, I would say, the populace learns the difference, so we can finally help these people AND at the same time our children properly.
    Well, homosexuality has been in there for decades as well, before it was finally removed.

    In the most recent revision of the DSM-v, pedophilia has been a large topic of discussion because it was actually a very debated topic whether the attraction itself should still be classified as a mental disorder. The suggestion was to make a distinction between deviant sexual attractions ('paraphilias') and their disorder counterparts ('paraphilic disorders'). The latter would include criteria of personal distress or (in some form or other) damage to society.

    In the end, because lots of people got angry about classifying pedophilia as a sexual attraction, they decided to make an implicit 'exception' for it. If you have a desire for sex with people that can't consent, that's a disorder in itself.

    This is just a convention. They might as well have said the opposite, and many people wanted them to make the distinction between pedophilia and (effectively) child abusers, as that would help being able to study the causes for one becoming the other (and thereby possibly being able to better prevent child abuse).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howling Wind View Post
    The pedophile/straight/gay analogy is confusing. At what age does a pedophile become a pedophile? When they are born? 5 years? 10 years? 15 years old?
    According to the DSM-iv and DSM-v (the psychiatrical diagnostics and statistics manual of disorders), you have to be an adult (I think 16+) and be at least so and so many years older than the child, before being classified as having a pedophile disorder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howling Wind View Post
    LMAO, if people cant change what is the point of the prison system? A murdere will never change. What is the point of psychiatric therapy? A cheating wife or abusive husband will never change. What is the point of alcoholics anonymous? A drunk will never change.

    right?

    WRONG!

    People CAN CHANGE.
    Change their actions, not their attractions, likes or passions. A homosexual can be 'taught' not to act on his sexuality. Many extremist Christian groups are quite fond of that. But that doesn't mean they can change what they like. They can change, but not what they feel.

    Well, perhaps with brainwashing, limited results can be achieved (but not for everyone). It's pretty easy to brainwash people into performing suicide bombings, they probably feel that that's the right thing to do. I think that's more a mechanic of mental suppression than actually changing your deepest feelings, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howling Wind View Post
    So you're comparing Pedophiles to gay people huh? Why dont you walk up to a gay person and compare their lifestyle to that of a pedophile, and see what they say. Or better yet can any gay person reading this chime in and give their thought on being compared to pedophiles? I am genuinely curious about the answer.
    You're either unable to comprehend what I'm saying or you're being deliberately obtuse. I am comparing pedophiles, heterosexuals, gays and bisexuals in the sense that we're talking about sexual orientations and how/if they can simply be changed. Stop chasing butterflies and pay attention, please.

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    Lots of naive people if they think those nudist websites are aimed at nudists. I think they know exactly what kind of person would pay for access to it.

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    Thing is, when you take your children to the nudist beach you KNOW what is going on there, you can't say some random exposed himself in front of your children, nor that your children were accidentally naked in front of strangers.

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