SgtMaj Speaks Up About Women in Infantry Study

[Realsykes]

So you were enrolled in an aviation A-school quickly enough to graduate before time served to make E-4 (otherwise you wouldn't be an ANAT), all while that rating was 20% over its billeted capacity? Whew, lucky man.

I mean hell, Avionics school is 6 months and the Airman program is another 2 before that. Haha

Also they don't just graduate Rated Non-Rates in aviation... In all of my years I've known 1 class of Rated Non-Rate Airdales and that was because a member of their class stole a plane from a local airfield and nobody graduated as an E-4 for having failed to stop him.

You're speaking Chinese to me but that last bit though.

LOL.

[GG you got me]

I did 11 months delayed entry, and I was locked into AT the whole time.

Hey man, you lived it.

11 months DEP & guaranteed for an aviation A-school on enlistment, and "tested up" to E-4 although anyone in the Navy or USCG would call this "graduating" because that's how acquiring a rating differs in those services from the Army/USMC/USAF but hey, what a life.


*DEP also counts for time in rating as an SR/FR (or SA/FA if you were an Eagle Scout/Cadet/etc), not SN/FN/AN but it's cool.

[Kellhound]

So you were enrolled in an aviation A-school quickly enough to graduate before time served to make E-4 (otherwise you wouldn't be an ANAT), all while that rating was 20% over its billeted capacity? Whew, lucky man.

I mean hell, Avionics school is 6 months and the Airman program is another 2 before that. Haha

Also they don't just graduate Rated Non-Rates in aviation... In all of my years I've known 1 class of Rated Non-Rate Airdales and that was because a member of their class stole a plane from a local airfield and nobody graduated as an E-4 for having failed to stop him.

You are assuming current structure. When I enlisted only rocks joined without a confirmed A school. And AV A was 9 months, not 6. You could not test for E-4 until after you passed A school.

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Hey man, you lived it.

11 months DAP & guaranteed for an aviation A-school on enlistment, what a life.


*DAP also counts for time in rating as an SR/FR (or SA/FA if you were an Eagle Scout/Cadet/etc), not SN/FN/AN but it's cool.

Again you are hung up on current rules. At the time, E-3 was easy to get as a Cadet. I am sorry you cannot understand that the rules have changed over the years.

[GG you got me]

You are assuming current structure. When I enlisted only rocks joined without a confirmed A school. And AV A was 9 months, not 6. You could not test for E-4 until after you passed A school.

What years did you serve, exactly? You've alluded to the "time period" multiple times without specificity.

I don't know what current rules you think I'm hung up on. You don't have any idea when I served, what branch I served in, or what my rating/MOS was. lol The fact of the matter is that it's been quite a long time since I was in the military, and the reason the "rules" today seem so similar is because they haven't changed in the last ~30 years.

[Kellhound]

What years did you serve, exactly? You've alluded to the "time period" multiple times without specificity.

1990s in general.

[GG you got me]

1990s in general.

Me too, and beyond. So then... haha

If nothing else I really like the idea of a military where A-schools are guaranteed for ratings that are at 120% capacity.

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You're speaking Chinese to me but that last bit though.

LOL.

What can I say? You know firsthand how many fuckups there are. lol

[Kellhound]

Me too, and beyond. So then... haha

If nothing else I really like the idea of a military where A-schools are guaranteed for ratings that are at 120% capacity.

Simple, its called reorganizing the Aviation ratings and consolidating. Two other ratings were merged into ATs causing overmanning.

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Simple, its called reorganizing the Aviation ratings and consolidating. Two other ratings were merged into ATs causing overmanning.

Yes I'm aware of electricians getting lumped into the AT rating. I guess you're implying that rating merger happened jussssssssssst right as you were making it out of A-school so like I said, what I life.

I would have assumed that you got the impression that I might have lived it first hand by now, but I appreciate you really boiling it down to the basics for me. Anyway, moral of the thread Charlie Don't Surf & Gurls Don't Fite. fin.

[Kellhound]

Yes I'm aware of electricians getting lumped into the AT rating. I guess you're implying that rating merger happened jussssssssssst right as you were making it out of A-school so like I said, what I life.

I would have assumed that you got the impression that I might have lived it first hand by now, but I appreciate you really boiling it down to the basics for me. Anyway, moral of the thread Charlie Don't Surf & Gurls Don't Fite. fin.

ROFL!!!! The Electricians were NOT lumped with the Av Techs (except at E-9), it was the AQs and AXs. But hey, you lived it. I bet you loved going to aviation school in Florida as well....

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ROFL!!!! The Electricians were NOT lumped with the Av Techs (except at E-9), it was the AQs and AXs. But hey, you lived it. I bet you loved going to aviation school in Florida as well....

I went to A-school in Elizabeth City, because I was in the other floaty service. I figured that you had already picked up on that when I mentioned you not having to qualify as aircrew in the Navy, but I guess not. Anyway, our rating merger didn't happen until much later, same reasons, though.

Just curious, and I mean humor me here, but when specifically in the "1990's, generally" did you test up to E-4?

[Kellhound]

I want to A-school in Elizabeth City, because I was in the other floaty service. Our rating merger didn't happen until much later, same reasons, though.

Actually that was a test, because in the 90s Aviation ratings were trained at NAS Millington near Memphis, not in Florida like they are now.

[GG you got me]

Actually that was a test, because in the 90s Aviation ratings were trained at NAS Millington near Memphis, not in Florida like they are now.

Either way the only schooling available to me in Florida would have been HITRON, and not in the 90's.

By the way, the result of your rating merger was the exact same as ours, bringing avionics & electrical under 1 rating.

[Kellhound]

Either way the only schooling available to me in Florida would have been HITRON, and not in the 90's.

Which boot camp did you go to? I lucked out with Club Diego.

[GG you got me]

Which boot camp did you go to? I lucked out with Club Diego.

We only have 1, in Cape May.

I'm guessing you still think I'm a Navy guy, lol.

[Kellhound]

We only have 1, in Cape May.

Coasty, got it. My last duty station was on a Coast Guard base.

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Coasty, got it. My last duty station was on a Coast Guard base.

You know they would laugh at us if we tried to crossrate out of aviation after finishing FM quals on any airframe, right?

Would have an easier time switching services, lmao.

[Manabomb]

Having spent 5 years in the military myself, that statement says a whole lot more about you then it does the women in question.

It really shouldn't be surprising that there are some men in the world that are worse off genetically and physically (and especially mentally) than these female specimens in the military.

I've always been an advocate of not letting averages snuff out individualism when it comes to feats of strength and endurance. The individual being capable is much more important than the average individual being capable.

This kind of drivel right here brings me back to a far, far right winged video who's title was "Why men are better at women in anything and everything ever." It's plainly sexism, regardless if they only reach the bottom 5%. I'd want to see the actual numbers, because bottom 5% could be as slim of a difference as a few inches in an endurance run. Percentages are wildly meaningless unless we are given a scope as to what the "peak" of male conditioning and compare it directly to the peak of female conditioning. Biology dictates females will generally be lower, but darwinism dictates that there will be females that are anomalies.

[cuafpr]

Except the Corps tends to see every member as an infantryman first, specialist second. All Marines are expected to be able to fight as light infantry as needed.

haha that reminds when i was in the USAF and they said "We want to develop Airmen to all have a common theme like the USMC's every marine is a rifleman" I died laughing and asked what are they gonna do teach us all how to fly and say every Airmen is a pilot?

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also this thread reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO23WBji_Z0

[xChurch]

Because the typical jarhead is obviously the best of the best solider in the world...
If women can pass the minimum standard, why shouldn't they be let in?

[Kellhound]

You know they would laugh at us if we tried to crossrate out of aviation after finishing FM quals on any airframe, right?

Would have an easier time switching services, lmao.

Most of the time that would have been the case in the Navy for Av Techs, but the timing was just right. Also didn't hurt they were beginning to get rid of the plane I was working on. Plus, I changed over to a rating that has never been more than 85% manned as far as I know, the security clearance is a killer.

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haha that reminds when i was in the USAF and they said "We want to develop Airmen to all have a common theme like the USMC's every marine is a rifleman" I died laughing and asked what are they gonna do teach us all how to fly and say every Airmen is a pilot?

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also this thread reminds me of this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO23WBji_Z0

I think it would have been "Every Airman is a golfer".