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    help with an algebra question.

    So I'm working on my algebra homework and not sure why I have this problem wrong. Can somebody help me out with it? Preferably show steps. Below is what I have.

    i(3-4i)(3+4i)
    3i-4i+3+4i
    3+3i

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    You turned multiplication into addition, and made i*4i = 4i. The second line should read (3i+4)(3+4i). Try it from there.

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    wth did you do in that second step
    if you are going to expand it should be i(9+12i-12i+16)
    25i if im not mistaken
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    Dont know how you arrived at your conclusion. The correct one is:
    i(3-4i)(3+4i) <- separate the binomial
    i(9+12i-12i-16i^2) <-delete both 12i since they are complementary and i^2=-1
    i(9+16) <- simple from here
    25i
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhem008 View Post
    So I'm working on my algebra homework and not sure why I have this problem wrong. Can somebody help me out with it? Preferably show steps. Below is what I have.

    i(3-4i)(3+4i)
    3i-4i+3+4i
    3+3i
    i(9-12i+12i-16i^2)

    i(9-16(-1))

    i(9+16)

    25i

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    For any complex number a + bi, the following is true:

    (a + bi)*(a - bi) = a^2 + b^2.

    So you get i*(3^2 + 4^2). To be honest I'm not completely clear how you did your calculation. You seem to have commuted the i with the left parentheses and turned 3 into 3i, and then you turned multiplication into addition. Neither of which are valid manipulations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Flabberly View Post
    Dont know how you arrived at your conclusion. The correct one is:
    i(3-4i)/(3+4i) <- separate the binomial
    i(9+12i-12i+16i^2) <-delete both 12i since they are complementary and i^2=-1
    i(9-16) <- simple from here
    -7i
    i^2 is -1, so you made a mistake going from line 2 to 3. Also, you made a typo in the first line by writing division.
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    Uhm, use the binomial theorem, which holds for all commutative rings (i.e. also the complex numbers). and i^2=-1. Should do the trick (25i is correct)

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    i * (3 - (4 * i)) * (3 + (4 * i)) = 25 i

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    Quote Originally Posted by unbound View Post
    i(9-12i+12i-16i^2)

    i(9-16(-1))

    i(9+16)

    25i
    So my whole problem was distributing the first I too early?

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    i(3-4i)(3+4i)
    (3i-4i^2)(3+4i)
    9i+12i^2-12i^2-16i^3
    9i-16^3

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhem008 View Post
    So I'm working on my algebra homework and not sure why I have this problem wrong. Can somebody help me out with it? Preferably show steps. Below is what I have.

    i(3-4i)(3+4i)
    3i-4i+3+4i
    3+3i
    i(3 - 4i)(3 + 4i) There are a couple ways to do this but here is one way.
    i(9 + 12i - 12i - 16i^2) Ignore the i and FOIL the parentheses.
    i(9 - 16i^2) Simplify to get this. Final answer.
    9i - 16i^3 If they want the expression completely merged together then this is the final answer.

    Are you working with imaginary numbers? Meaning that i = sqrt(-1) because if you are then that changes things a bit.
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    Thanks guys, I understand where my mistake was now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhem008 View Post
    So my whole problem was distributing the first I too early?
    Should have been distributing the D instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhem008 View Post
    So my whole problem was distributing the first I too early?
    The main problem with that step in general is that you didn't distribute i fully to begin with. Foiling out first would be easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhem008 View Post
    So my whole problem was distributing the first I too early?
    You can distribute it in any step you want, if you do it correctly.

    pulling the i into the first bracket it becomes:
    (3i-4i^2)(3+4i)=(3i+4)(3+4i)=9i+12+12i^2+16i=25i

    or by pulling the i into the 2nd bracket:
    (3-4i)(3i-4)=(9i+12-12+16i)=25i.

    For some reason you turned the 2nd mupliplication into an addition after distributing the i onto the first factor.

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    As stated, the second and third term make a conjugate. With conjugates (a+bi)(a-bi), the middle term cancels so it forms a real answer.

    (3+4i)(3-4i) = 9 - 16i^2 = 9 - -16 = 9 + 16 = 25

    Then multiply by the first term and you get 25i.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stormgust View Post
    Uhm, use the binomial theorem, which holds for all commutative rings (i.e. also the complex numbers). and i^2=-1. Should do the trick (25i is correct)
    I'm pretty sure Ring theory is really far from whatever he's doing, lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhem008 View Post
    So my whole problem was distributing the first I too early?
    No you didnt distribute it properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mayhem008 View Post
    So my whole problem was distributing the first I too early?
    You can distribute in whichever order you want, but you didn't distribute correctly:

    i(3-4i)(3+4i) ==

    (3i+4)(3+4i) - i distributed into first parenthetical.

    (3-4i)(3i-4) - i distributed into second parenthetical.

    i(9-12i+12i+16) - first and second parentheticals distributed into each other.

    All yield the answer 25i, which is the answer.

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