South Africa's new human ancestor, Homo neledi, sparks racism row

[Hammerfest]

...that's idiotic. No "evolutionist" (they're more accurately called "scientists") is looking for a "missing link." The picture is crystal clear.

Well, the painting that evolution is based on is crystal clear... if you are lucky enough to see it in person or high definition, I suppose.

[HotDude]

has a study ever been done to see the average IQ for each race?

[Gumboy]

Reminds me of the futurama episode where the guy is like "BUT WHERE IS THE MISSING LINK BETWEEN X AND Y!!!" for 30+ missing links :P

[Mormolyce]

I imagine this is a culture clash due to a strong old-fashioned undercurrent of conservative Christianity in some of these African nations. And maybe Islam and animism, not sure if they are specifically anti-evolution.

Because that's the kind of comment you might've seen from ignorant conservatives in the West about 50 years ago. Or like, today if you're in some parts of the US.

Can't even do genuine scientific research or speak scientific facts aloud these days because of the "anti-racists" and PC retards who intentionally misunderstand everything in order to get to do the only thing they are good at -- complaining about racism everywhere.

There is nothing remotely PC about these guys lol.

[Kaleredar]

Well, the painting that evolution is based on is crystal clear... if you are lucky enough to see it in person or high definition, I suppose.

Don't even know what you're on about.


Evolution is one of the easiest to understand principles because it's based on... guess what, fundamental truths.


Organisms must compete to survive. Organisms that are successful reproduce. Therefore, genes that predispose an individual for success get passed on.

This isn't rocket science. You can't really argue against any of those points. And boy howdy, that's evolution.


Even the Catholic church is on the up-and-up with Evolution, and they caught on like... 50 years ago.

[Arthas242]

has a study ever been done to see the average IQ for each race?

yessssss


and the typical stereo-types are true when it comes to averages.

Asian > White > Hispanic > Black when it comes to average IQ/etc....

of course there are smart Black people and dumb Asians, it's why it's called a AVERAGE.

and the same time Blacks on average tend to have bigger/stronger bodies.

and if we logically think about it.......

Africa is honestly just a deadly/barren place with limited food/water compared to other places in the world where strength helped with survival more then brains.

where like places like Europe sure had their own deadly things, but was more lush green/plenty of water which made it *easy living* meaning strength was not as much of a factor for survival.

just look at your sport stars...... most are black compared to their population size *except hockey lol*

same can be said for the *crazy smart people* who tend to be Asians *mostly thinking of japan and robotics atm as that is the next biggest thing people are looking at*

how many non Asians are into robotics?
*again related to averages as i am sure there is a black nerd out their who go nutz about building robots/drones/3d printing*

THIS IS ALL ABOUT GENES/EVOLUTION NOT RACISM!

however one factor other then environment that could be affecting this is the fact other places in the world are more livable meaning larger population leading to more gene diversity/mutations aka faster evolution and split apart by geography mostly.

the real question is what will the human race look like in a few hundred years when their is only one race *or just more mixed options*
*as mix race couples are more common now leading to more diversity in the genes*

[Kaleredar]

yessssss


and the typical stereo-types are true when it comes to averages.

Asian > White > Hispanic > Black when it comes to average IQ/etc....

of course there are smart Black people and dumb Asians, it's why it's called a AVERAGE.

and the same time Blacks on average tend to have bigger/stronger bodies.

and if we logically think about it.......

Africa is honestly just a deadly/barren place with limited food/water compared to other places in the world where strength helped with survival more then brains.

where like places like Europe sure had their own deadly things, but was more lush green/plenty of water which made it *easy living* meaning strength was not as much of a factor for survival.

just look at your sport stars...... most are black compared to their population size *except hockey lol*

same can be said for the *crazy smart people* who tend to be Asians *mostly thinking of japan and robotics atm as that is the next biggest thing people are looking at*

how many non Asians are into robotics?
*again related to averages as i am sure there is a black nerd out their who go nutz about building robots/drones/3d printing*

THIS IS ALL ABOUT GENES/EVOLUTION NOT RACISM!

Eugenics died out years ago for a reason.


It's widely agreed that IQ test results are affected far more heavily by environment than by any sort of racial predisposition. Meaning no, black and hispanic people do not have "inherently lower brain functions" than any other race, nor are Asian people predisposed to be the "smartest of all the races."

[buck008]

yessssss


and the typical stereo-types are true when it comes to averages.

Asian > White > Hispanic > Black when it comes to average IQ/etc....

of course there are smart Black people and dumb Asians, it's why it's called a AVERAGE.

and the same time Blacks on average tend to have bigger/stronger bodies.

and if we logically think about it.......

Africa is honestly just a deadly/barren place with limited food/water compared to other places in the world where strength helped with survival more then brains.

where like places like Europe sure had their own deadly things, but was more lush green/plenty of water which made it *easy living* meaning strength was not as much of a factor for survival.

just look at your sport stars...... most are black compared to their population size *except hockey lol*

same can be said for the *crazy smart people* who tend to be Asians *mostly thinking of japan and robotics atm as that is the next biggest thing people are looking at*

how many non Asians are into robotics?
*again related to averages as i am sure there is a black nerd out their who go nutz about building robots/drones/3d printing*

THIS IS ALL ABOUT GENES/EVOLUTION NOT RACISM!

Most of that is not true. Scientists don't classify people according to race because there is no scientific basis for such divisions. However, in the United States, the best numbers we have show that whites do score slightly higher than blacks. Those results are based on self identified race, and there is no way to know if other factors contribute to the results because there are far too many other variables. That is further backed up by the results varying when tested in other nations. There has never been any sort of global test to compare. Mostly because, again, scientists think that the concept of race, as we define it politically, is complete and utter bullshit.

[Arthas242]

Eugenics died out years ago for a reason.


It's widely agreed that IQ test results are affected far more heavily by environment than by any sort of genetic predisposition.

except IQ is not about what you know...... which is obviously affected by environment

and the fact we know people who have genetic defects who can have a super high IQ *usually leading to a lot of social problems*

but there is also cases of basically people who are to stupid to take care of them self due to *genetic defects*.

really though they are just mutations *not all mutations are bad* just think of it like RNG/gambling, you win some and lose some.

same thing can be said for woman trying to get in the front lines, genetics says they are not designed for it as well as men are. THAT DOES NOT MEAN THEY CAN NOT, just means they have to work harder at it and still will likely fall short.

my point is, genetics does determine a lot, that does not mean you do not have a chance, again following into the average things that are outsiders

[Iphie]

yessssss


and the typical stereo-types are true when it comes to averages.

Asian > White > Hispanic > Black when it comes to average IQ/etc....

of course there are smart Black people and dumb Asians, it's why it's called a AVERAGE.

and the same time Blacks on average tend to have bigger/stronger bodies.

and if we logically think about it.......

Africa is honestly just a deadly/barren place with limited food/water compared to other places in the world where strength helped with survival more then brains.

where like places like Europe sure had their own deadly things, but was more lush green/plenty of water which made it *easy living* meaning strength was not as much of a factor for survival.

just look at your sport stars...... most are black compared to their population size *except hockey lol*

same can be said for the *crazy smart people* who tend to be Asians *mostly thinking of japan and robotics atm as that is the next biggest thing people are looking at*

how many non Asians are into robotics?
*again related to averages as i am sure there is a black nerd out their who go nutz about building robots/drones/3d printing*

THIS IS ALL ABOUT GENES/EVOLUTION NOT RACISM!

however one factor other then environment that could be affecting this is the fact other places in the world are more livable meaning larger population leading to more gene diversity/mutations aka faster evolution and split apart by geography mostly.

Curious as to what the methodology of this research was as the only one I've seen has been widely discredited due to the fact that it was heavily biased. So, got a link?

[minteK917]

Is this the missing link?. The real question is were more modern species interbreeding with these archaic hominids and for how long?. Can you imagine being chased down by one of these things?. Did the threat of archaic hominids cause the more modern species to flee for their lives to the north?.

Unlikely These hominids are much older, all the different ones we found so far are much smaller in size then Homo and Neanderthal, i dont think they chased anything away.

The point all these old hominids we are finding is doing is that Homo is not a single line that evolved, therefore there is no "missing link". We are the cumulation of multiple hominid. This mean being Human is a much bigger spectrum then what we originally expected. There could have been as much as hundred different hominids in Africa and they could all interbred. We know this is not only possible, but we have real still living examples. The European humans have marks of interbreeding with Neanderthal.

As someone said earlier if anything African are the most pure Homo sapians, but pure is really not the appropriate word. Since humans are the results of multitude of different hominid interbreeding, id say we are more like a bunch of puzzles, nothing pure about any of it lol.

[Kaleredar]

except IQ is not about what you know...... which is obviously affected by environment

Sorry, I'm going to take these guys' words over yours.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22963427

[Mormolyce]

except IQ is not about what you know...... which is obviously affected by environment

IQ is a poor measure of intelligence. IQ tests test your ability to take IQ tests.

There is no good measure of intelligence. It's an ephemeral concept.

Sorry, I'm going to take these guys' words over yours.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22963427

Also that.

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http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news...ectid=11515206

Looks like nothing but a bid for attention by making up controversy where there is none.
Science is a tool for understanding. If you don't want to understand, there's no need to attack the people that do.

Why would it be insulting to say that we've got a inherently deep connection and kinship with all life?

[vilememory]

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except IQ is not about what you know...... which is obviously affected by environment

and the fact we know people who have genetic defects who can have a super high IQ *usually leading to a lot of social problems*

but there is also cases of basically people who are to stupid to take care of them self due to *genetic defects*.

really though they are just mutations *not all mutations are bad* just think of it like RNG/gambling, you win some and lose some.

You can train to be better at IQ tests, to a point. Education most certainly matters.

[Kaleredar]

Why would it be insulting to say that we've got a inherently deep connection and kinship with all life?

Not arguing with you here, but notions like these always strike me as hollow.

Like the whole "we're made of the stuff stars are made of." Like, so what? Big deal, so are earwigs and pocket lint.

[Powerogue]

Do they not realize that this means we all came from that ancestor at some point, not just africans?

Also I'd wait for the bones to be dated. That's pretty important.

No, that's pretty much misunderstanding the Judeo-Christian creation myth.

Apparently a very real misunderstanding though. From my [extremely limited] investigation, apparently people believed God created 5 independent races at one point, and it, and a lot of other verses were used to justify segregation. (pretty much any time people were told not to interbreed with neighboring nations, ignoring the fact that was because those nations held a different religion that would "corrupt" their population, not their skin color)

[Garnier Fructis]

Well, the painting that evolution is based on is crystal clear... if you are lucky enough to see it in person or high definition, I suppose.

Your ability to respond to everything other but the main objection raised against your posts never fails to amaze me.

[Mormolyce]

Apparently a very real misunderstanding though. From my [extremely limited] investigation, apparently people believed God created 5 independent races at one point, and it, and a lot of other verses were used to justify segregation. (pretty much any time people were told not to interbreed with neighboring nations, ignoring the fact that was because those nations held a different religion that would "corrupt" their population, not their skin color)

"Race" in the modern sense of "black vs white" is a relatively recent thing. Ancient cultures like the Jews were certainly tribal but they didn't divide humanity into such broad global racial categories. They might've been prejudiced against the Samaritans or Philistines in some respects but any attempt to read modern race theories into the Bible is anachronistic.

During the 19th and early 20th century especially there was a fad of revisionist interpretations of the Bible that made such claims, based on flimsy evidence and specious interpretations of Bible quotes.

In short, there's no real support for this in the Bible but there was historically a culture of trying to pretend there was. Like how modern Christian conservatives act like the Bible condemns abortion, which it never once mentions. Really it's just that these people were trying to tie their personal and social beliefs into their religion.