Sex Offender recidivism

[THE Bigzoman]

This isn't a discussion about feminist rape/sexual assualt, though it can be in the same area. Let's not talk about that shit though. Please, for the love of god. I won't talk about booty for a week if the communitty can manage NOT to bring feminism in this.


http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rs...index-eng.aspx

This study examines sexual recidivism, as expressed by new charges or convictions for sexual offences, using the data from 10 follow-up studies of adult male sexual offenders (combined sample of 4,724). Results indicated that most sexual offenders do not re-offend sexually, that first-time sexual offenders are significantly less likely to sexually re-offend than those with previous sexual convictions, and that offenders over the age of 50 are less likely to re-offend than younger offenders. In addition, it was found that the longer offenders remained offence-free in the community the less likely they are to re-offend sexually. Data shows that rapists, incest offenders, "girl-victim" child molesters, and "boy-victim" child molesters recidivate at significantly different rates. These results challenge some commonly held beliefs about sexual recidivism and have implications for policies designed to manage the risk posed by convicted sexual offenders.

This struck me for one reason and one reason only. The attitude that some people have towards convicted sex offenders (their treatment and the assumption that they cannot change) is sickening and hypocritical. Some of these same people advocate that felons deserve better treatment and can change. I agree wholeheartedly, but since I have a sense of honor and don't like being hypocritical, I carry this idea consistently across all crimes.

The fact that a facebook post advocating for convicted, or even accused sex offenders to be castrated can get dozens of likes mystifies me.

When we release people from prison, we assume that they have been rehabilitated and are ready to be functioning members of society. Lets not be so hostile and paranoid about them that they cannot have a normal life as they try to put the pieces together. Let's give them the second chance that they've earned.

[vilememory]

People here sex offender and they immediately think rapist and pedophile. You can become a sex offender by simply taking a piss in public, others you have people getting frisky with someone that claim to be older but aren't. Some of these I would agree, you can lose the sex offender part after a period of time. However there will always be those that refuse to think of the lesser sexual offenses or those that get blown out of proportion. To them sex offender will always mean pedophile rapist and they should be labeled for life and then have it carved into their grave.

[Strangebrew]

I think we should blame feminism for this.

[Deleted]

It depends on the crime

If somebody went out to rape somebody I don't care if they re-offend, they're still disgusting scum
If somebody was arrested for a drunken grope or what not then no they should be excused after serving time

[THE Bigzoman]

It depends on the crime

If somebody went out to rape somebody I don't care if they re-offend, they're still disgusting scum
If somebody was arrested for a drunken grope or what not then no they should be excused after serving time

I think in the U.S that Kayiley's law treats it all as the same.

[Deleted]

No, it's not assumed someone is rehabilitated when they're let out in a tome limitef system.

[A dot Ham]

This isn't a discussion about feminist rape/sexual assualt, though it can be in the same area. Let's not talk about that shit though. Please, for the love of god. I won't talk about booty for a week if the communitty can manage NOT to bring feminism in this.


http://www.publicsafety.gc.ca/cnt/rs...index-eng.aspx




This struck me for one reason and one reason only. The attitude that some people have towards convicted sex offenders (their treatment and the assumption that they cannot change) is sickening and hypocritical. Some of these same people advocate that felons deserve better treatment and can change. I agree wholeheartedly, but since I have a sense of honor and don't like being hypocritical, I carry this idea consistently across all crimes.

The fact that a facebook post advocating for convicted, or even accused sex offenders to be castrated can get dozens of likes mystifies me.

When we release people from prison, we assume that they have been rehabilitated and are ready to be functioning members of society. Lets not be so hostile, fuck up convicts lives, and give them the second chance that they've earned.

This bolded part just shows how naive you really are.

There is no rehabilitation taking place. There are many documentaries out there that take a look at prisons and interviews from prison inmates and they will tell you that they themselves don't think that anyone brought to prison should ever be released back into society. The person you have to become to survive is not a functioning member of society.

Granted that may not be the case for all prisons, those convicted of white collar crimes tend to end up in places that resemble camp snoopy.

But sex offenders get put into the same mix as murderers.

I know a little about 'treatment' for such individuals (which doesn't take place in prison). I grew up in a very religious home, and masturbation was absolutely a "sin" so when I was caught multiple times looking at porn (and then assuming I was masturbating [never caught in the act]) my mother signed me up for group therapy.

That group therapy lasted a month... I didn't belong there. The people I met there were people who were placed there by the courts. Typically teenagers who weren't tried as adults that had committed some sort of sexual crime and had they been 18 or older would have been labeled as a sexual offender. This group had a mix of kids (really) who messed around with sisters, neighbors, church members, cousins etc. with victims ranging from infants to 12-13.

This "treatment" consisted of group time, solo time with a counselor, as well as potential options to cope with 'urges'. None of which I thought at the time would ever be helpful even if I had a problem. I could see in my month long interaction with the others that they thought it was bullshit too. Its treated like an addiction, so when you get an urge you 'distract' yourself. This can include:
(1) HEALTHY sexual activity (consensual with someone age appropriate/legal)
(2) Excercise
(3) Videogames
(4) Porn/masturbation (again looking at images/video that are deemed healthy/appropriate)
(5) Religion
(6) Alternate activity with friends/family

The key is to remove yourself from that situation that is causing that urge. <=== THAT IS NOT FUCKING REHABILITATION. That person is not 'cured' they are a ticking time bomb.

I suspect that the lack of repeat offenses has more to do with what me make sex offenders do after they are released. Which is warn any potential victim near the offender to stay away. We shame them.

Also I'm calling bullshit on this study, because just because this is the first time they were caught and convicted... doesn't necessarily mean its their first offense.

If I got sent to prison and got buttfucked and then went through the humiliating process of getting a job and moving while registering as a sex offender... I wouldn't want to do it again either. That does NOT mean that (a) I don't think about doing it (b) wouldn't do it again if I felt I could get away with it.

There is also a strong possibility (given how we approach sexuality in America) that they are now better equipped to hide their activity. Also because of the nature of crime victims sometimes remain silent for YEARS.

Castration is an interesting proposition but likely wouldn't do anything. Some sex crimes have nothing to do with intercourse or ejaculation. The wave of pleasure they are getting is in the act... not the BOOM climax of the activity. This can be violence to the genitals, pure humiliation, dominance, and could have nothing to do with the act of a penis penetrating a vagina or other orifice.

So castration might make a victim feel better. Might make society feel better. But I can't imagine it would do much more than send them further down that path.

If you think its ridiculous take someone like Stephen Hawking. Genius of our time, can't move or engage in sexual activity. Yet he has been known to have strippers lay naked with him. Now what would be the point if he can't get erect, and/or can't ejaculate. It is still stimulating to some degree.

[Revi]

I think studies like these have a serious problem, in that they take convictions/charges as the data points for sexual crime. There's no better way to do it that I can think of, but since we know a very significant amounts of sexual crime goes unreported or without conviction, it's very shake grounds for any sort of conclusion.

[THE Bigzoman]

I think studies like these have a serious problem, in that they take convictions/charges as the data points for sexual crime. There's no better way to do it that I can think of, but since we know a very significant amounts of sexual crime goes unreported or without conviction, it's very shake grounds for any sort of conclusion.

Thought about that, and i'm starting to reconsider my whole take on "it's not quantifiable, so basing anything from it and trying to factor it in is a fools errand."