I don't understand people ilvl requirements for normal WoD raids

[Eleccybubb]

Leader makes a group. Leader specifies his/her ilvl requirements. If you disagree/don't like these rules make your own group.

[PosPosPos]

ITT: People who are too lazy or not good enough at organizing and leading groups bash others who form said groups and set their own requirements and terms.

The fact of the matter is, people who complain about ilvl requirements for any content whatsoever are obviously not good enough to even form their own raids - then they project their own shortcomings onto others, of which are at least capable of forming and leading raids.

Who cares if the raid leader is looking for a carry as long as it gets the job done? Oh right, the people who are sour grapes, whinging in the corner because they don't have the drive and motivation to do the same. Just some specimens trying to place themselves on a higher pedestal.

[Deja Thoris]

Because pugs are usually led by mentally-deficient people with poor knowledge of the game and so they try to brute force their way through content. I was doing normal arch on my 700 ilevel druid alt (my main is a 725 mythic priest) and this asshole 711 druid made some stupid comment about how my gear is awful and I have some baleful pieces and I get booted quickly by the raid lead all because some older douchebag wanted more of the loot to roll for himself. Looking at his logs, he is below average for his ilevel and from my logs I'm about 80th percentile but set bonuses and certain op trinkets are worth so much that he outhealed me by about 10-15k hps, and given his attitude, I bet it was mostly scumbag padding, he was very low on mana when we wiped. He even scum bagged on the trash by using the haste tanking trinket to pad his burst healing and the meters. I've done the content on 5 toons, so I know that my healing was more than plenty to down the boss but padding the meters gave him creed with the ignorant raid lead.

So you got booted from the group yet you could see he outhealed you by scumbagging? Might want to get your story straight there.

[kamuimac]

ITT: People who are too lazy or not good enough at organizing and leading groups bash others who form said groups and set their own requirements and terms.

The fact of the matter is, people who complain about ilvl requirements for any content whatsoever are obviously not good enough to even form their own raids - then they project their own shortcomings onto others, of which are at least capable of forming and leading raids.

Who cares if the raid leader is looking for a carry as long as it gets the job done? Oh right, the people who are sour grapes, whinging in the corner because they don't have the drive and motivation to do the same. Just some specimens trying to place themselves on a higher pedestal.

ah ye those filthy casuals looking for mmo experience in mmorpg how dare they

also clearly many people care

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So you got booted from the group yet you could see he outhealed you by scumbagging? Might want to get your story straight there.

his story is quite striaght - its pretty much clear what happened - raid booted a druid pushing 80th percentile in favor of someone pushing much lower percentile but higher numbers cause 4 set/trinkets - its very comon nowadays people simply dont realize how strong current 4 set and trinkets are - but that blizzard fault for making baleful trinkets utter shit (when 670 brf normal trinkets are stronger then 695 baleful something is clearly wrong)

[Deja Thoris]

his story is quite striaght - its pretty much clear what happened - raid booted a druid pushing 80th percentile in favor of someone pushing much lower percentile but higher numbers cause 4 set/trinkets - its very comon nowadays people simply dont realize how strong current 4 set and trinkets are - but that blizzard fault for making baleful trinkets utter shit (when 670 brf normal trinkets are stronger then 695 baleful something is clearly wrong)

You should read it again, I can bold the parts that you're struggling with if you like.

[Astynax]

QQers here dont understand that being 700 ilvl doesnt mean that EVERY SLOT IS 700+. Could be mostly 695 + leg ring to pull that up to 700+ no problem at which normal drops will still upgrade those 695s.

People bitching most likely have put no effort into their gear to get to a minimum 695 and just want to get carried to get loot. The point of being accepted into a raid isnt who can use the most drops, but who can carry the group the best for higher chance of success and very likely that many can still use drops.

[Deleted]

If you can fill up a raid with 700+, why would you make yourself worse off?

Further read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_efficiency

[Deleted]

Further read:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_efficiency

I don't think that means what you think it means.

[Raugnaut]

With all my runs, I only bring people who have at least gold in PG.

[deadman1]

that is far from being normal, it is just dicks who want carries

Which is most people, therefore it is normal.

Also it's not really dickish to want a carry, it's efficient.

[Deleted]

I don't think that means what you think it means.

And I don't think that you understand the scope of this theorem if you think that I do not understand it.

[Deleted]

And I don't think that you understand the scope of this theorem if you think that I do not understand it.

If it eventually branches to that conclusion it seems unnecessary to mention it. It's common sense higher ilevel is better all else being equal. It doesn't need less known theories.

[Lochton]

Hello. What is the deal with 690+ and 700+ ilvl for HM and Blackrock Foundry normal mode. Why would you do that when there is no reward for you? You already have higher level gear, so what's the deal?

Most likely because someone paid the group to boost them, and they don't wish to tell the ones the pug that they have to babysit, just get better geared people.

Heck, even for Hellfire Citadel Normal, there are some insane demands. The record I've seen was, "must have 700 ilvl, curve, and legendary ring"

[dacoolist]

You get 700 ilvl from pvp gear alone (yes this means you'd have to win some quick arenas..) - within 4 hours now you can literally hit 700 ilvl from a fresh 100. So being that everyone also has the legendary ring.. That puts you at least to 702.. That's not even including the weekly boss dropping warforged normal (711) items.. So basically if youre not around 703-705 just from sitting around like my bitchass all day, you're not even playing wow.

[kamuimac]

You get 700 ilvl from pvp gear alone (yes this means you'd have to win some quick arenas..) - within 4 hours now you can literally hit 700 ilvl from a fresh 100. So being that everyone also has the legendary ring.. That puts you at least to 702.. That's not even including the weekly boss dropping warforged normal (711) items.. So basically if youre not around 703-705 just from sitting around like my bitchass all day, you're not even playing wow.

because everybody enjoy pvp ye ? what you say is basickly "buy a ton of arena boosts or gtfo" great idea indeed.

[Albimoo]

because everybody enjoy pvp ye ? what you say is basickly "buy a ton of arena boosts or gtfo" great idea indeed.

Gearing a new alt is not difficult. My mage has less than 24 hours played at 100 and hit 695 yesterday. Has no issues getting in to any normal run so I'm really not sure where that drama is coming from.

Get a couple empowered apexis, a bit of crafted gear and then run into normal. If you put in any effort you can get the leg ring in like 2 months. ???? . Profit.

Hard game is not hard, don't expect shit to be given to you or you'll have a bad time