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    Quote Originally Posted by Valyrian the Nostalgic View Post
    I take it then, that either 1. I ridiculously far off or 2. I nailed it spot on? I honestly can't tell!
    Little from Collumn A, little from Collumn B. You've got the basics there, but with a couple of mistakes. Did you see The thick of it, where Malcom Tucker describes Star Wars? This is a similar thing .

    You make it sounds like it's the worst fantasy film franchise since the Star Wars prequels. Should I be afraid?
    Noooo nowhere near that bad, my main problem is Daniel Radcliffe just... Can't act. AT ALL.

    The story is obviously superb, but as they're trying to fit some pretty big books into a single film a peice, a lot of stuff is cut out. I mean even the final book which is one of the shorter books and is split into two, has some stuff left out. If you go in not knowing what's missing you'll probably enjoy them a fair bit, but then when read the books you'll see how much better they are, then going back to watch the films they'll just seem... Flat.

    Being objective:
    Philosopher's Stone is okay, great film to kick back with on a rainy sunday afternoon.
    Chamber of Secrets is bad, but to be fair it's also my least favourite of the books, I just don't enjoy the storyline.
    Prisoner of Azkaban and Goblet of Fire are solid, the story starts to get a bit darker, a bit more interesting plus bonus Gary Oldman.
    Order of the Phoenix and Half Blood Prince are pretty fucking weak, this is where the books got stupidly long, but the films stayed the same size, so LOTS is cut out.
    Deathly Hallows I is passable, some good scenes, some terrible ones and tbh it's the first half of the book so it's A LOT of setting up, with not a huge amount of payoff.
    Deathly Hallows II is actually pretty damn good... Except one horrifically cringe inducing line.
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    Book wise, Order of the Phoenix (5) and Half-Blood Prince (6) are the two best books in the series, followed closely by Goblet of Fire (4). But I do agree, the first two suffer from being long books adapted into standard-length films.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Book wise, Order of the Phoenix (5) and Half-Blood Prince (6) are the two best books in the series, followed closely by Goblet of Fire (4). But I do agree, the first two suffer from being long books adapted into standard-length films.
    So much was cut from books 4 and 5 it's not even funny.

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    Just going to say this, if you read the books before you watch the movies, you are going to hate how bad the movies are compared to the books. If you watch the movies first, you will love how the books expand on the movies.

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    Watch Star Wars instead.


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    Just saw the first one.

    Please tell me it gets better?

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    It gets better. Frankly, none of the kids knew how to act in the first one, and it was carried by Snape, Dumbledore, McGonnagall, etc.

    Some of the kids still don't know how to act (I never found Rupert Grint - Ron - to be particularly effective), but both Harry and Hermione seem to be decent actors now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valyrian the Moofia Boss View Post
    Just saw the first one.

    Please tell me it gets better?
    Yeah, it kind of "grows up" with the characters, in a way, which is neat. The early movies are pretty much lighthearted adventures in magic school, the middle ones are filled with teenage drama, and the last few are kind of mature and dark at times.

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    I thought both the books and movies were cool -- they start off as light fun and get more interesting. Note there are some things in the movies that make no sense if you haven't read the books.

    Also, I reckon the two best movies are #3 and #7, purely for style. The first two are more standard fare, but even #2 is darker than most kid's stuff (and surprisingly relevant to the overall plot).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valyrian the Moofia Boss View Post
    Just saw the first one.

    Please tell me it gets better?
    Copying what I said from earlier, because it was right then and it's right now:

    Philosopher's Stone is okay, great film to kick back with on a rainy sunday afternoon.
    Chamber of Secrets is bad, but to be fair it's also my least favourite of the books, I just don't enjoy the storyline.
    Prisoner of Azkaban and Goblet of Fire are solid, the story starts to get a bit darker, a bit more interesting plus bonus Gary Oldman.
    Order of the Phoenix and Half Blood Prince are pretty fucking weak, this is where the books got stupidly long, but the films stayed the same size, so LOTS is cut out.
    Deathly Hallows I is passable, some good scenes, some terrible ones and tbh it's the first half of the book so it's A LOT of setting up, with not a huge amount of payoff.
    Deathly Hallows II is actually pretty damn good... Except one horrifically cringe inducing line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Feali View Post
    Being 3 years younger than Emma Watson: nothing creepy about that.
    For sure, growing up with a yearly supply of Emma Watson wasn't bad at all. I thought the actor who played Ginny was more attractive though, but she plays an even smaller role in the movies than she does in the books, which is disappointing.

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    Well, Chamber of Secrets is still on indefinite hold on Netflix (both DVD and Blue-Ray versions, since I added them since late September). Goblet of Fire is at least at Long Wait, but everything afterwards is ready.

    Having just seen Prisoner of Azkaban, I take it that the movies are mostly independent of each other plot wise? Loved PoA and am looking forward to the other movies, I just don't want to skip ahead to them if the films rely on past events/become interconnected stories and I'd be missing stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valyrian the Moofia Boss View Post
    Well, Chamber of Secrets is still on indefinite hold on Netflix (both DVD and Blue-Ray versions, since I added them since late September). Goblet of Fire is at least at Long Wait, but everything afterwards is ready.

    Having just seen Prisoner of Azkaban, I take it that the movies are mostly independent of each other plot wise? Loved PoA and am looking forward to the other movies, I just don't want to skip ahead to them if the films rely on past events/become interconnected stories and I'd be missing stuff.
    Each movie (aside from the last two, which are one year together,) is a single school
    year for the kids. In fact, on the VHSs, (I don't know for the DVD / Blue Rays) there's
    "Year 1" or "Year 6" marked on each box. So most are basically separate. However,
    several of the plots buildon one-another just enough that I'd definitely recommend just
    watching the movies in order. Aside from those couple of plot pieces though, most of
    the connections are character additions, location additions, and item additions.

    In the books, there's obviously much more of this, but you're wanting strictly films.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoaric View Post
    Each movie (aside from the last two, which are one year together,) is a single school
    year for the kids. So most are basically separate. However, several of the plots build
    on one-another just enough that I'd definitely recommend just watching the movies in
    order. Aside from those couple of plot pieces though, most of the connections are
    character additions, location additions, and item additions.

    In the books, there's obviously much more of this, but you're wanting strictly films.
    At what point does the overall storyline become too tied together to begin skipping? Ie, introduction of crucial plot elements relevant to the story from then on, etc? Goblet of Fire's description would indicate that it begins ramping up the series' myth arc of Harry vs Voldemort...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Valyrian the Moofia Boss View Post
    At what point does the overall storyline become too tied together to begin skipping? Ie, introduction of crucial plot elements relevant to the story from then on, etc? Goblet of Fire's description would indicate that it begins ramping up the series' myth arc of Harry vs Voldemort...
    Let's see... the first two (TPS / TCoS) are most closely connected to one another, with
    the third film (TPoA) starting off a long story thread that's sorta ignored for all but the
    last bit of the fourth film (TGoF). It's at that point that things start more closely tying
    together. The last four films (TOotP / THBP / TDH 1-2) absolutely should be watched in
    order, lest one miss out on several big changes.

    Then there's a few moments in the last two films (TDH 1-2) that are call-backs to things
    from the first two movies (TPS / TCoS.) They are given a bit more weight than someone
    would expect if they hadn't watched the first two movies, but if someone knows it all, then
    it's just aboot right.

    TL;DR: Watch as many in order as possible. The ending of four (TGoF) onward, everything
    should be in order... mostly. But the first two movies (TPS / TCoS) can be seen at any time,
    though should be seen before the last two (TDH 1-2) for the big moments to fully pay off
    and quick exposition provided to make sense easily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Valyrian the Moofia Boss View Post
    At what point does the overall storyline become too tied together to begin skipping? Ie, introduction of crucial plot elements relevant to the story from then on, etc? Goblet of Fire's description would indicate that it begins ramping up the series' myth arc of Harry vs Voldemort...
    Basically 3 or 4. 1, 2, and 3 can be considered one-offed if needed, though 3 has a couple things relevant later. Once you hit 4, there's enough necessary to the rest that skipping leaves some aspects unexplained. But, on the other hand, I believe until after #5 they rehash why stuff is important. Hell, DH they just assume people forgot and retread a bunch. Still, a lot of weight is put onto visual linking. If you care about the continuing plot threads, I'd say you're past skippability.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zoaric View Post
    The last three films (TOotP / TDH 1-2) absolutely should be watched in order,
    lest one miss out on several big changes.
    Last 4? You never mentioned HBP. And considering most of DH 1/2 revolves around HBP setups...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sunaka View Post
    Last 4? You never mentioned HBP.
    Oops, you're right. Fixed!
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    I've kinda always wanted Harry Potter to be a TV Show. But for obvious reasons, that couldn't work.

    - Commitment of Kid actors
    - The way to plot progresses (You'd have so many boring episodes.

    Then again, the movies didn't do the books justice, because they were so short.

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    There's a specific plot element in the last movie that draws from directly from the 2nd movie, the Chamber of Secrets.

    A couple of the movies really didn't do the books justice at all. However to be fair, the books were really thick.
    The last few books did take time to focus on specific characters. The Blood Prince focused on Voldemort and his family's history. The Deathly Hallows focused on both Snape, and Dumbledore's history (and by extension his brother Aberforth.) The movies omitted a bit much of that though. (Too much in Blood Prince for me)
    Towards the end of The Prisoner of Azkaban there was an emotional impact that was completely missed in the movie. And it's that emotion that to me was getting missed in the movies, more so than some of the meta-plots which I could understand were cut due to time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intricate View Post
    seriously man, just try the 1st book! its short and if it dosent hook you quick drop it. a 2 hour investment.

    but yea failing that start at the 1st, but I warn you for non HP fans the first couple movies are not gonna entertain you. IMO only the last 3 films stand on their own as good films in their own right.
    Yup read first book, see what you think

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