US Forces Accidentially Strike Doctors Without Borders Clinic, Killing 19

[Hif]

The international law is indeed clear. You cannot attack hospitals, unless they're used to harm you.

From "Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of the Wounded and Sick In Armed Forces In the Field", article 21:

"A. Acts harmful to the enemy. -The protection to which medical
establishments and units are entitled cannot cease unless they are used
to commit acts harmful to the enemy. The wording adopted by the
Diplomatic Conference of 1949 was intended to make it clear that protection
could only cease in the one case mentioned above, whereas in
1929 it had merely been stated that protection would cease if such
acts were committed."

US military stated the Taliban was not in the MSF compound. Secondly you can't read legal documents. It says.

Art. 19. Fixed establishments and mobile medical units of the Medical Service may in no circumstances be attacked, but shall at all times be respected and protected by the Parties to the conflict. Should they fall into the hands of the adverse Party, their personnel shall be free to pursue their duties, as long as the capturing Power has not itself ensured the necessary care of the wounded and sick found in such establishments and units.

The responsible authorities shall ensure that the said medical establishments and units are, as far as possible, situated in such a manner that attacks against military objectives cannot imperil their safety.

Art. 20. Hospital ships entitled to the protection of the Geneva Convention for the Amelioration of the Condition of Wounded, Sick and Shipwrecked Members of Armed Forces at Sea of 12 August 1949, shall not be attacked from the land.

Art. 21. The protection to which fixed establishments and mobile medical units of the Medical Service are entitled shall not cease unless they are used to commit, outside their humanitarian duties, acts harmful to the enemy. Protection may, however, cease only after a due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

That is the full text. What does Article 21 state exactly: Protection may, however, cease only after a due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

Why do you guys blatantly lie so much? Seriously. All three of you have lied about international law to defend your perverse view of killing innocent people.

If you were Syrian you would be an Assad supporter.

[habitsbreaker]

If that is the case, somebody should go to jail for that + US should apologize.

you overestimate the worth of a non-american life in the eyes of the us government

[eluan]

http://www.msf.org.uk/article/afghan...duz-airstrikes

According to the article the hospital did not have any hostile forces, and was specifically targeted for over an hour.

[Laerrus]

"The bombing continued for more than 30 minutes after US and Afghan officials were informed of the proximity to the hospital, the charity tweeted."

With how fast information travels these days, why didn't they fucking stop?

Goddamnit, this shit really makes me fucking angry.

[ramjb]

What were doctors doing in a Taliban city anyway? (Rhetorical question I know: providing aid to Taliban fighters. The very name of the organization Doctors without Borders sounds like a pan-Arab, global jihad movement that doesn't respect sovereignty of current states and wants to rewrite the borders to form a new Caliphate). Surely that makes them legitimate targets.

[eluan]

What were doctors doing in a Taliban city anyway? (Rhetorical question I know: providing aid to Taliban fighters). Surely that makes them legitimate targets.

Speaking to Al Jazeera, Taliban spokesperson Zabiullah Mujahid said that no Taliban fighters were present in the hospital at the time of the air strike.

"Our mujahedeen (fighters) were not treated at the MSF trauma centre due to prevailing military conditions."

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/1...151257396.html

that hospital had been there for at least 5 years, long before the taliban took the city.

[Stormspellz]

What were doctors doing in a Taliban city anyway? (Rhetorical question I know: providing aid to Taliban fighters. The very name of the organization Doctors without Borders sounds like a pan-Arab, global jihad movement that doesn't respect sovereignty of current states and wants to rewrite the borders ). Surely that makes them legitimate targets.

that is epic level of mental gymnastics, i'm honestly impressed.

[Gumboy]

Hard to believe it was an accident when we only use precision laser guided missiles and bombs.

Make fun of Russia for using dumb bombs, literally next day bomb a hospital

[Hooked]

I don't believe our soldiers would ever purposely drop bombs on a hospital unless it was riddled with terrorists.

[Hexian]

Mistakes happen. Especially when you are the only country trying to clean up the mess while the others cowardly sit behind you and criticize your every move.

[eluan]

Mistakes happen. Especially when you are the only country trying to clean up the mess while the others cowardly sit behind you and criticize your every move.

Well the USA is in large part responsible for the mess in the first place, so either way it is their problem. Also in the link I gave earlier you will notice it is stated that the hospital has been there for 5 years, is well known by coalition forces, and was the only building hit. That is not something you can call a mistake, a mistake would bombing the whole area and hitting it, not precision targeting a well known hospital.

[Hooked]

Well the USA is in large part responsible for the mess in the first place, so either way it is their problem. Also in the link I gave earlier you will notice it is stated that the hospital has been there for 5 years, is well known by coalition forces, and was the only building hit. That is not something you can call a mistake, a mistake would bombing the whole area and hitting it, not precision targeting a well known hospital.

The Taliban is responsible for the mess in Afghanistan. We have used kids gloves in that country and our soldiers have paid the price for it.

[eluan]

The Taliban is responsible for the mess in Afghanistan. We have used kids gloves in that country and our soldiers have paid the price for it.

The Taliban which was once funded and supported by the CIA.

http://blogs.reuters.com/global/2009...-want-to-know/

[Palemaster]

That is the full text. What does Article 21 state exactly: Protection may, however, cease only after a due warning has been given, naming, in all appropriate cases, a reasonable time limit, and after such warning has remained unheeded.

Why do you guys blatantly lie so much? Seriously. All three of you have lied about international law to defend your perverse view of killing innocent people.

Actually, This is the full text.
A small paragraph from the end of article 21: "As we have seen, a time limit is to be named in all appropriate cases. There might obviously be cases where no time limit could be allowed. Suppose, for example, that a body of troops approaching a hospital were met by heavy fire from every window. Fire would be returned without delay."

That's why Maybach (the liar) said that he's waiting to hear what actually happened. There is no black and white in war. Do you think that if you put on a vest with a red cross on it you're free to launch missiles or shoot anyone you see and that your vest makes you immune? Grow up.

If you were Syrian you would be an Assad supporter.

I guess that makes you a big mouth who uploads pictures of himself with an AK-47 looking like a badass, and running to Germany with his tail between his legs after getting his ass kicked.

[TirielWoW]

Why exactly is the US still bombing Afghanistan?

I believe the Taliban reclaimed some cities/areas, and that is why they are currently conducting air strikes.

[Hif]

Actually, This is the full text.
A small paragraph from the end of article 21: "As we have seen, a time limit is to be named in all appropriate cases. There might obviously be cases where no time limit could be allowed. Suppose, for example, that a body of troops approaching a hospital were met by heavy fire from every window. Fire would be returned without delay."

That's why Maybach (the liar) said that he's waiting to hear what actually happened. There is no black and white in war. Do you think that if you put on a vest with a red cross on it you're free to launch missiles or shoot anyone you see and that your vest makes you immune? Grow up.



I guess that makes you a big mouth who uploads pictures of himself with an AK-47 looking like a badass, and running to Germany with his tail between his legs after getting his ass kicked.

Why are you linking a commentary? That is not the convention. More importantly it has no legal value. The convention is very clear.

The commentary is the opinion of the 5 individuals who wrote it. It isnt the original legal text.

Feel free to google it. Or you are purposely providing incorrect information to meet your agenda.

Oh yes also MSF said there were no Taliban there. Now are you going to say MSF is lying.

I rather get my ass kicked then justify the murder of children. That is what the Taliban do.

[Deleted]

The Taliban is responsible for the mess in Afghanistan. We have used kids gloves in that country and our soldiers have paid the price for it.

But the taliban was only ever a problem because the US funded and armed them.

[Tenjen]

it was the only hospital of its kind in the region, they very often updated the army of their location and not to target them. they even sent messages during the bombing that they were bombing the hospital. the bombing wasnt a "stray hit", it was prolonged and went for more than half an hour.

These people spent years training and becoming skilled in their craft. its horrifying for any medic or doctor to lose their lives because this means hundreds of lives left unsaved in the future for every one medic dead.

[Ulmita]

Mistakes happen. Especially when you are the only country trying to clean up the mess while the others cowardly sit behind you and criticize your every move.

Hey according to the guardian article two things happened that imply this is not a mistake:

a) The hospital informed right away the Afghan and US authorities about the incident and
b) USA was bombing the hospital for 30 minutes. (MSF: bombing continued for 30 minutes after warning)

MSF claimed the GPS coordinates of the hospital were widely circulated to all parties fighting in the conflict, and denied reports that Taliban fighters were using the facility as cover while they battled Afghan and American forces. The charity also alleged the bombing continued for up to 30 minutes after it raised the alarm with US and Afghan officials.

There needs to be a criminal investigation for this.

[DrMcNinja]

Will probably be labeled as "collateral damage" and then they'll go for a cheeky nandos and forget this ever happened.