Something That Bugs Me About The GTA Series

[Rukh]

Bwahhaa.. sorry, in europe there are barely any Chrysler's, Ford's and GM's. Please do try again

This nationalism based on stupidity is just amusing.

Focus and Fiesta???

Also, GM sells under Chevrolette in the US but Vauxhall and other brands including Saab and Opel in EU. Lots of car companies have localized brands. You'll never see a Scion in Japan, nor Infiniti before 2 years ago.

[Selastan]

The Viper that the Banshee was influenced by wasn't a particularly great car, it still stands as an example of having decent power that you can't put down/use well. Outside of a drag strip it could never have kept up with it's competitors let alone actual supercars. If I was looking for a lack of American supercar representation I'd look at the Coquette and its C/Z influence personally, far better car.

The Coquette is great, but in my experience with it in GTA doesn't put it on the same level as the Adder or Banshee.

Only in races that the rest of the world barely take part in like Nascar. Touring car, Rally, Forumla [X] etc are all predominantly European and Asian.

The only one of those I really follow is Rally, and lately Ford has been doing really good in that sport. And I'm a Subaru fan when it comes to rally anyway, so that is saying something. But that aside, we aren't really racing open-wheel formula cars in GTA, its about fast civilian vehicles, something we Americans love more than Europe or Asia. We are really the only ones (to my knowledge) to really mass-produce cheap and fast cars. Europe seems to think fast means expensive. Its kind of our culture to want to go fast. At least it used to be, all I see nowadays is gas mileage this, touch-screen that, and even what was most our most inexpensive sport cars, the pony cars Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger (Pony car = watered down versions of muscle cars to you foreigners or non-car enthusiasts) are kind of expensive. Speed shouldn't be a luxury.

But, this is really getting of my intended topic. I think America makes the best racing civilian vehicles, argue that all you want, you have to admit we are at least good if you don't think we are the best. What is true is that we are underrepresented in the all too popular Supercar category in GTA Online.

[minteK917]

Dodge viper is known to be garbage, has been for years lol. Its just a truck engine inside a smaller car. Even driving one feels like shit. Its pretty much the harley davidson of cars. Idiots thinks they are cool driving it and everyone else just roll their eyes and shake their heads. I had one friend in high school that was so stuck on vipers, until he tried one.

[twiddler]

America's greatest and most consistent is the Corvette. The Viper was trash a decade ago and, outside the ACR, is still having problems shaking that label.

If I were to choose the best, stock "civilian racing vehicles", it would easily go to the GT3 with honorable mentions to the Exige and GTR, where the Exige can become uncomfortable and the GTR can feel too automated.,

[deadman1]

The Viper isn't a super car.

The GT40 is the only american super car that I can think of other than smaller ones like the Hennesy Venom

[Mister K]

America is the king of cars? I must have missed the memo.

Also, is the OP's signature a joke? Genuine question.

This.

Also this thread is super pointless.

Also completely disagree.

Oh and lastly, also, fiction/game so yeh ...

[Socialhealer]

Ever hear of the Big Three? Chrysler, Ford, and GM pretty much run the car world, and the phrase "X is the Cadillac of Y" didn't come from nowhere.

as a European i've never heard of that no, so it is just an American thing.

And when i saw the Rugby the other day i don't think Americans have heard of it before haha.

[Lightwysh]

And in GTA Online in particular...
Why is the Banshee not...better? Its based on the Dodge Viper, America's greatest supercar, yet it has historically been downgraded to sport status. Why? Quoted from the wiki: Coupled with its low sell value in older games, It seems Rockstar just doesn't value American cars...just look at the Supercar list for GTA V. How many American-based cars are on it? One. The Bullet. Considering how the series is set in America and America is pretty much the king of cars, why is it not better represented in these games? America has a great history of creating the most advanced and the fastest supercars on the planet, from the works of Carroll Shelby to the Dodge Charger Daytona. In the modern day, the Ford GT and the Dodge Viper are the pinnacle of high end sports vehicles, yet are both given only a passive nod by Rockstar, while Itallian-based vehicles are given the spotlight. Anyone else a little peeved by the lack of American love in an American centered game?

(Yes, I know Rockstar is U.K. Based, but there is a lack of English cars in the game as well)

Ummm, when it comes to super-cars, the US has rather shit to offer. The Viper, while a good sports car, is not a super-car. The corvette is not a super-car(though I will tip my hat to the z07 and give it an A for effort).

Lamborghini, Ferrari, Pagani, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, McLaren... These are super-cars. The only super-cars coming out of the US are extremely limited run makes by companies that specialize in tuning, not making super-cars. The only true super-car coming out of the US from a mainstream manufacturer is the Ford GT.

[Rukh]

Ummm, when it comes to super-cars, the US has rather shit to offer. The Viper, while a good sports car, is not a super-car. The corvette is not a super-car(though I will tip my hat to the z07 and give it an A for effort).

Lamborghini, Ferrari, Pagani, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, McLaren... These are super-cars. The only super-cars coming out of the US are extremely limited run makes by companies that specialize in tuning, not making super-cars. The only true super-car coming out of the US from a mainstream manufacturer is the Ford GT.

US has Ford GT (soon to have a 2016 model), Saleen, Panoz, SSC, Mosler. Not bad for one country. Though I wouldn't count Z06/Z07 as super cars, the Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 probably counts.

[Selastan]

Ummm, when it comes to super-cars, the US has rather shit to offer. The Viper, while a good sports car, is not a super-car. The corvette is not a super-car(though I will tip my hat to the z07 and give it an A for effort).

Lamborghini, Ferrari, Pagani, Bugatti, Koenigsegg, McLaren... These are super-cars. The only super-cars coming out of the US are extremely limited run makes by companies that specialize in tuning, not making super-cars. The only true super-car coming out of the US from a mainstream manufacturer is the Ford GT.

How do you define supercar then? It isn't really a real term, and I would say my definition of the word is "any publicly available vehicle capable of passing 200 mph with little to no modification." And since we are talking about GTA Online here, every one of those examples you gave is represented in-game already. My main complaint is lack of variety. Like I said earlier, every one of them (even the American Ford GT-Based Bullet) is mid-engine. I would really like to see some FR love.

[Pony Soldier]

Yu wot m8? I can't even with this thread.

[Selastan]

Yu wot m8? I can't even with this thread.

to sum up, Banshee should be in the same category as Infernus, Zentorino, Adder, etc. but it isn't. Thread contains me ranting about lack of variety in GTA Online Supercar list, people bashing American supercars like the Viper, and people wondering whether or not my sig is a joke. It isn't, btw. All caught up, buddy?

[Nirawen]

The Coquette is great, but in my experience with it in GTA doesn't put it on the same level as the Adder or Banshee.

My point is that it's influence, the C/Z series in real life, is the closest thing you have to a supercar. It's not a suprise the Banshee is considered an average Sports, because that's exactly what it's influence is.

The only one of those I really follow is Rally, and lately Ford has been doing really good in that sport. And I'm a Subaru fan when it comes to rally anyway, so that is saying something. But that aside, we aren't really racing open-wheel formula cars in GTA, its about fast civilian vehicles, something we Americans love more than Europe or Asia.

Ford has done well in Rally for a long time (Mk2 Escort was a sensual beast) but they weren't American built/spec Fords, they were the smaller and lighter European variants modified by companies like Cosworth. You can't claim racing consistency when you aren't even involved in a lot of it, Europe and Asia have a much stronger presence in American motorsport compared to the reverse. As for enjoying going fast, the speed limit comparison would indicate a different story.

We are really the only ones (to my knowledge) to really mass-produce cheap and fast cars. Europe seems to think fast means expensive. Its kind of our culture to want to go fast. At least it used to be, all I see nowadays is gas mileage this, touch-screen that, and even what was most our most inexpensive sport cars, the pony cars Mustang, Camaro, and Challenger (Pony car = watered down versions of muscle cars to you foreigners or non-car enthusiasts) are kind of expensive. Speed shouldn't be a luxury.

Every motoring industry mass-produces cheap and (relatively) fast cars these days, America neither leads or falls behind in that category anymore. Maybe back in the days of proper muscle cars they were doing it more commonly but things like 1st & 2nd gen Skyline GT-Rs etc could certainly match what they were putting down. Again as for driving fast, the rest of the world mostly has higher speed limits. I do agree about muscle cars though, I think they've been homogenized by the global market and it's had a negative effect.. maybe they're more appealing to a wider market but a lot of them have lost their style & soul, not all of them but a fair amount. Things like the Hellcat keep the spirit alive though.

But, this is really getting of my intended topic. I think America makes the best racing civilian vehicles, argue that all you want, you have to admit we are at least good if you don't think we are the best. What is true is that we are underrepresented in the all too popular Supercar category in GTA Online.

America does make great cars but they're just not usually supercars, there's a reason that something like 99% of all pickups/utility vehicles sold in America are all American branded yet supercars are still predominantly foreign. Personally for racing civillian cars I can't look anywhere other than Asia first, not actually a fan of most of them myself but they're objectively better in a lot of ways.

I'd say for when GTA5 is set the representation isn't far from fair. Do you have a lot of fast cars? yes, could they keep up in a street race? probably not. That said, by the next GTA (given it's set in modern day) I do think you'll see a stronger showing at the heights of speed due to things cars like the C7.R and Hellcat, it probably won't be those cars but their influence on your industry is already showing.

My last note would be: Leaf springs suck /drops mic

[apples]

trumps america, the place where feelings beat out reason

according to this thread anyway

[Rukh]

My point is that it's influence, the C/Z series in real life, is the closest thing you have to a supercar. It's not a suprise the Banshee is considered an average Sports, because that's exactly what it's influence is.



Ford has done well in Rally for a long time (Mk2 Escort was a sensual beast) but they weren't American built/spec Fords, they were the smaller and lighter European variants modified by companies like Cosworth. You can't claim racing consistency when you aren't even involved in a lot of it, Europe and Asia have a much stronger presence in American motorsport compared to the reverse. As for enjoying going fast, the speed limit comparison would indicate a different story.



Every motoring industry mass-produces cheap and (relatively) fast cars these days, America neither leads or falls behind in that category anymore. Maybe back in the days of proper muscle cars they were doing it more commonly but things like 1st & 2nd gen Skyline GT-Rs etc could certainly match what they were putting down. Again as for driving fast, the rest of the world mostly has higher speed limits. I do agree about muscle cars though, I think they've been homogenized by the global market and it's had a negative effect.. maybe they're more appealing to a wider market but a lot of them have lost their style & soul, not all of them but a fair amount. Things like the Hellcat keep the spirit alive though.



America does make great cars but they're just not usually supercars, there's a reason that something like 99% of all pickups/utility vehicles sold in America are all American branded yet supercars are still predominantly foreign. Personally for racing civillian cars I can't look anywhere other than Asia first, not actually a fan of most of them myself but they're objectively better in a lot of ways.

I'd say for when GTA5 is set the representation isn't far from fair. Do you have a lot of fast cars? yes, could they keep up in a street race? probably not. That said, by the next GTA (given it's set in modern day) I do think you'll see a stronger showing at the heights of speed due to things cars like the C7.R and Hellcat, it probably won't be those cars but their influence on your industry is already showing.

My last note would be: Leaf springs suck /drops mic

If you're going to give the Ford Escort to Europe then you're going to have to count Subaru STi for the US :P

[Selastan]

My point is that it's influence, the C/Z series in real life, is the closest thing you have to a supercar. It's not a suprise the Banshee is considered an average Sports, because that's exactly what it's influence is.

You might find this rather interesting.

Ford has done well in Rally for a long time (Mk2 Escort was a sensual beast) but they weren't American built/spec Fords, they were the smaller and lighter European variants modified by companies like Cosworth. You can't claim racing consistency when you aren't even involved in a lot of it, Europe and Asia have a much stronger presence in American motorsport compared to the reverse. As for enjoying going fast, the speed limit comparison would indicate a different story.

A lot of racing that isn't "official" still counts. Supercharged American cars are the go-to when it comes to street racing. American cars are generally easier to modify and we have one of the most thriving automotive aftermarkets.

Every motoring industry mass-produces cheap and (relatively) fast cars these days, America neither leads or falls behind in that category anymore. Maybe back in the days of proper muscle cars they were doing it more commonly but things like 1st & 2nd gen Skyline GT-Rs etc could certainly match what they were putting down. Again as for driving fast, the rest of the world mostly has higher speed limits. I do agree about muscle cars though, I think they've been homogenized by the global market and it's had a negative effect.. maybe they're more appealing to a wider market but a lot of them have lost their style & soul, not all of them but a fair amount. Things like the Hellcat keep the spirit alive though.

Japan has indeed been great at producing cheap and fast cars for the racing scene. Hell, look at Initial D. It was in their culture almost as deeply as it was in ours. As for the speed limits, they are there to STOP us from going so fast, the more people want to speed the lower they go. They are largely ignored anyway. Even the cops generally don't bother with anyone not exceeding the limit by at least 10 mph.

America does make great cars but they're just not usually supercars, there's a reason that something like 99% of all pickups/utility vehicles sold in America are all American branded yet supercars are still predominantly foreign. Personally for racing civillian cars I can't look anywhere other than Asia first, not actually a fan of most of them myself but they're objectively better in a lot of ways.

I'd say for when GTA5 is set the representation isn't far from fair. Do you have a lot of fast cars? yes, could they keep up in a street race? probably not. That said, by the next GTA (given it's set in modern day) I do think you'll see a stronger showing at the heights of speed due to things cars like the C7.R and Hellcat, it probably won't be those cars but their influence on your industry is already showing.

Right, I'm not saying there shouldn't be more European supercars than American, Europe is a continent with multiple countries each trying to make a name for themselves. The U.S is a single country. We have Italian, Swedish, French, British, and American influenced supercars in the game, but since the in-game Banshee is on par with these there is no reason why it shouldn't be one, too.

My last note would be: Leaf springs suck /drops mic

Can't argue or agree, my head hurts when dealing with suspension...I let the shop handle that

[Nirawen]

You might find this rather interesting.

Oh don't get me wrong the SRT Vipers are great cars but they're a different entity compared to the previous iteration that the Banshee is based on, like comparing a Ford Focus RS500 to a 2002 stock model . Still the time package SRT still did better than I'd expect (I'd still have placed it up high), I would have put .8 behind the ZR1 rather than infront. I'd say Dodge are definitely the leading contender for the next truly great American car.

A lot of racing that isn't "official" still counts. Supercharged American cars are the go-to when it comes to street racing. American cars are generally easier to modify and we have one of the most thriving automotive aftermarkets.
Japan has indeed been great at producing cheap and fast cars for the racing scene. Hell, look at Initial D. It was in their culture almost as deeply as it was in ours. As for the speed limits, they are there to STOP us from going so fast, the more people want to speed the lower they go. They are largely ignored anyway. Even the cops generally don't bother with anyone not exceeding the limit by at least 10 mph.

I think it depends on what you mean by street racing, if you don't want to spend a stupid amount of money but still want to chop people on the highway then 'American muscle' is a good way. If you're talking 3am Los Angeles ghetto racing and your car is spending half of its time travelling sideways then there are many other strong choices. I would point out that outside of the US it'd be rare for the go-to, but given the games setting I'll let it slide .

I'd say the desire to drive quickly is probably even across the board, other countries are more comfortable with it though. Hard to say someone on an Autobahn doesn't have at least as much of a desire to go fast when they're travelling twice the speed .

Right, I'm not saying there shouldn't be more European supercars than American, Europe is a continent with multiple countries each trying to make a name for themselves. The U.S is a single country. We have Italian, Swedish, French, British, and American influenced supercars in the game, but since the in-game Banshee is on par with these there is no reason why it shouldn't be one, too.

The GTA5 Banshee is meant to be the same model as is in previous GTA's which is the old Viper, if they release a new model Banshee based on the newer SRT Vipers for the next game then I agree that should definitely be considered a supercar. If you mean that in-game the Banshee can match the top supercar-category cars (Entity, Zentorno, Turismo etc) then I would disagree with that.

[Moadar]

Chrysler is owned by fiat. So I guess that makes the viper Italian and now you don't have to worry about its status in GTA.

[Attackrabbit]

Some of the funniest things I've read on these forums for a while, thanks OP.