I often see grown men eyeing up girls school girls. Is this wrong?

[the game]

Okay now that's just being silly. Don't make light of rape to prove whatever point it is you're trying to make.

But it is rape as far as the law is concerned. They're both under the age of consent.

[Dug]

But a 16 yo boy having sex with a 16 yo girl can still produce a child. The only issue here is you have two 'not fully developed' brains raising a child, while in the other case, you only have one. It seems like you are defeating your own argument.

My issue is more of one much more mature than the other taking advantage of a situation. A 30 year old should not be allowed to be in a relationship with a 12-14 year old.

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But it is rape as far as the law is concerned. They're both under the age of consent.

If you want to be technical sure I suppose but nobody is going to waste time nor money going after kids experimenting with one another.

[Deleted]

Ugh... Religion has been telling us for ages that having sex is wrong. Now we are told that even LOOKING at beautiful girls is wrong? At least thinking is allowed yet (I hope)...

Which religion are you talking about? Sex in christianity is a very positive act between human beings. Your main problem with this understanding probably is, that it should only happen in a commited marriage.

[Stonecloak]

It is not an issue of logic. I mean, I believe , i the vast majority of posters are not murderers, rapists, etc... Yet, using logic, i can poke holes into a lot of posts (like i am doing with yours). What it is an issue of is time. The idiot thinks for today, the sinister think for tomorrow, and the humble think for the afterlife.

Look at that bold part and then tell me you understand logic, and consciousness. Especially when you think your poking holes, and all your doing is imagining them. Time, is a tricky thing to understand, and yea I agree it's an issue, but to say time is the "problem" is a bit narrow. It's a host of reasons, and the idiot definitely does not think for today, since time only exists in the present moment.

[Deleted]

I agree that both should be equal (but not necessarily mirrored) partners in the relationship. As a Muslim, the Islamic laws clearly support this. A husband or a wife can take the spouse to court for violating this. Whether some Islamic courts actually practice this equality is a separate issue. But it is hard to ensure this in any relationship here. Can a girl take advantage of a man? Certainly. Can a person take advantage of another equal to his/her age? Certainly.

If you are against one taking advantage of another in a relationship, be explicit of what cannot be done, and ban that. I don't understand going roundabout to solve an issue. This is how the age of consent was set to 18 in the first place. In hopes that it would reduce teen prostitution.

*Looks at Mohammed* - *looks at his underage wife Aisha (9years)*

What?

[mmouser]

If you want to be technical sure I suppose but nobody is going to waste time nor money going after kids experimenting with one another.

and yet, they do....
http://www.dispatchtimes.com/nc-teen...graphy/101496/

Lots of time and money wasted charging a teen with child pornography for having pictures of himself on his own phone....

[Stonecloak]

I look at the part next and see the my typo (the extra i).

Then i look at the bold part, and i will tell you that i understand logic really well. Why does one murder, with premeditation, another, despite knowing the consequences? Because he/she can only see for the moment. And for the moment, the rewards are high. However, there are others of us who can imagine that in the despite these high rewards, the jail time would be a net loss.

That can be many reasons rather than just time, or rewards. Lets just act for a second that we do not all operate in the same manner. If somebody even has the realistic urge to kill somebody, I'd say there's more of a problem than just rationality, and the percentage of people in that type of mind is extremely low anyway. There's many factors when considering critical thinking. We were on the topic of people's drives versus decision making. Idk how it got to this. There's some extremely intelligent people who live in the moment. The entirety of humanity cannot be boxed into the mind of a killer. The average everyday woman/man has other challenges affecting their abilities to make proper judgment, and decisions for their own health/well being. I happen to think social institutions are the bigger of the issues. Not literal institutions, but ideas our culture has that couldn't be anything further from the truth.

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That's what I love about these high school girls, man. I get older, they stay the same age. So true.

Your really fishing aren't you. That's the second time you posted the same thing.

[JohnBrown1917]

So is this thread still about having fantasies about somebody with consent?

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So is this thread still about having fantasies about somebody with consent?

It's always was about having fantasies of engaging in something with someone who's both of legal age, counts as a grown human from a biological point of view and consents and how that's icky because the OP and some others dislike it. Then again, they've taken to calling it pedophilia when a 30 year old dates a 20 year old or something similar long ago, cheapening and misusing the word.

[JohnBrown1917]

It's always was about having fantasies of engaging in something with someone who's both of legal age, counts as a grown human from a biological point of view and consents and how that's icky because the OP and some others dislike it. Then again, they've taken to calling it pedophilia when a 30 year old dates a 20 year old or something similar long ago, cheapening and misusing the word.

Shit, that throws dirt into my fantasy of crossdressing, under-aged, elf harem fantasy.

[Stonecloak]

Intelligent, sure? Wise, no. Wise individuals do not live for the moment. And this is what i meant by idiot.

Then you don't completely understand the situation. I didn't say only in the moment, and lets take the words for what they actually mean. living in the moment does not mean just on autopilot. We already know the brain can function at very high levels without even actively controlling it from an internal symbolic ego. Since the future and past don't exsist outside of our minds. There's literally only present time to experience, and like i said that doesn't mean to not think or plan. A wise person can definitely live in the present moment. I'd even say wiser people do live in the moment. People who live in mostly the future, or past can develop problems.

[Stonecloak]

Sure, the way you present it, we all 'live' in the present. But wiser people make judgements based off of future consequences. Wiser people have not figured out how to live in the future (yet).

Yea, like I was saying planning is necessary, self reflection also, but the idea that if i'm living in the moment I'll punch my wife in the head, and I won't if I'm thinking about the future isn't really the case. One could actively make critical decisions in the present. It requires practice, but It's possible. Ever hear that saying we only use a small percentage of our brains? I believe that's because we associate so much with our ego's, and when we do that we're generally not living in any moment. I get what your saying I'm just not sure you mean the words you do literally.

[endersblade]

The only thing 'disgusting' about it is whatever preconceived notions society has drilled into your head. It was perfectly acceptable not too long ago, but now suddenly, it's like the most grotesque thing people can think of. No, I'm not talking about fucking 10 year olds. But for some reason, someone has deemed it necessary for us to look down upon the young as apparently sub-human, because if we can't consider them of the appropriate age to procreate, then what purpose do they serve? Who are you to tell a 16 year old girl who, by the way, is more than old enough to have sex, that she is limited in who she can sleep with just because she isn't the arbitrary age of 18?

The laws, especially here in 'murica, are just fucking silly. I just don't get how these things come about. While I personally have no interest in anyone under the age of 25, and even that's pushing it for me, it's only because I know I don't get along with people that young, and absolutely nothing to do with not finding them attractive. I look, but good lord, I don't stick my dick in crazy, and kids these days (read: anyone under 25) are anything but sane.

[diddle]

It's a tough one - biologically they are sexually mature, yet it's also victim-blaming to tell women they need to dress "appropriately"... I really can't think of a practical solution. If they're explicitly doing it then they are gross, but as a man I'll notice a woman in my vicinity look and be like "omg I'm gross she's hot be she's so young."

We men just need to hide our shame.

[Themius]

Unless they're hitting on them I really don't see the harm.

[Kurioxan]

Its normal, as if women dont check out teen boys.

Also, looking at someone isnt the same as wanting to fuck them, but you probably believe in eyerape O_o

[hakujinbakasama]

In a society in which .......




is thrown at kids and adults equally... I'm confused why this is the topic focus.

[Granyala]

There is nothing wrong with looking at attractive human beings.
If them girls are dumb enough to wear super short skirts and move incorrectly, presenting their crotch to the male world, don't be surprised if people look.

LOOKING, not STARING while drooling in your morning tea ofc and commenting / whistling is obviously out of line.

There is a simple rule to conveying visual information:
You don't want people to receive visual data... DO NOT TRANSMIT SAID DATA.

IE: you don't want guys to stare at your pink semi translucent panties? Don't wear super short skirts and bend over to pick sth up.