Alaska renames Columbus Day to Indigenous People's day.

[buck008]

No, SJWs are not proned to negativity or anything like that. It is about creating a specific narrative, which is why they never recognize non-whites being just as shitty until you put the truth right in front of them.

No, reasonable people just refuse to allow others to paint various minority groups as criminals because one can find examples of them being shitty people. This is mostly because those same people will not allow that same logic to be used against the group that they belong to themselves, preferring to No True Scotsman the example or just outright dismiss it with no reason at all.

There are always shitty people. Some of us simply are open to the reality that "other people" aren't worse than "my people."

[boyzma]

Ummm it's called November? Also where's Caucasian month? Where's Men's month? Inb4 people of the losers' club(those mad that their group is not as powerful) cry that every month is when there's plenty of women and black people in most history books in the US.

My calendar says it's October. And you sound like a very bitter person who doesn't believe in diversity. Just relax and really read those history books and I'm sure you'll find men and women of all kinds of colors and religions and beliefs and somehow they all managed to keep this place going for a long time.

[PC2]

No, reasonable people just refuse to allow others to paint various minority groups as criminals because one can find examples of them being shitty people.

It is a petty thing to be concerned about. Pretty much everyone (99%) understand that economics and poor neighborhood dynamics drive most crime, not minority status.

[buck008]

It is a petty thing to be concerned about. Pretty much everyone (99%) understand that economics and poor neighborhood dynamics drive crime, not minority status.

Untrue. People in my personal life and on this very website (as well as others I visit) vehemently disagree with that statement. Obviously, we can't talk in terms of real numbers, but "pretty much everyone" is being very generous.

[apples]

itt: People who dont reaize alaskans dont celebrate MLK day either

[PC2]

Untrue. People in my personal life and on this very website (as well as others I visit) vehemently disagree with that statement. Obviously, we can't talk in terms of real numbers, but "pretty much everyone" is being very generous.

The handful of people with this view in your life and that you have seen on the internet do not represent the vast majority of people.

[buck008]

The handful of people with this view in your life and that you have seen on the internet do not represent the vast majority of people.

Ok, how about the talking heads on television, radio, and newspaper? Various politicians? The occasional celebrity? I didn't make up the point of view so that I have something to argue against.

[Flutterguy]

The only people that get the day off are bankers anyway.

[mhdoe]

Seattle did this a few years ago too right?

Anyway I find it so stupid like celebrating some guy who sailed here due to Spain, did a bunch of fucked up shit, and then was wanted for doing fucked up shit to his own people. Why the fuck is it even a holiday here?! He was never up here as far as I can recall, so why the hell is he celebrated?

Of course some Italian Americans will bitch and moan "oh our heritage" but what?! You want to be associated with that shit?!

Well your debating skills are unequaled I mean sentences like "Your want to be associated with that shit?!" pure poetry.

[Xerra]

Sometimes I wonder if we are the only county that kisses the asses of those who were 'conquered'. It is a part of human nature to kill each other off for the sake of self gain. Add resources, religion or whatever its pretty much instinct that if you are not an insider you are then an outsider which is easily deemed expendable. African's selling other tribes as slaves, Spain and Portugal ravaging lands for silver and gold, it is all throughout history. I am sure if things had been flipped around then native americans would be taking over europe for some reason or another. The documentary Guns, Steel and Germs pretty much lays it all out there on the how and why things turned out. Personally I think anyone born in the U.S. is American. Doesn't matter what color their skin is they were born here so why can't they be a 'native'? How long does it take or how many generations must it be before something is yours?

[Wells]

How is it indigenous people day though? At least Columbus did something of Value for the World.

The part of the world that benefited from the mass enslavement and economic exploitation of north and south america, sure.

Fact is, there's just no justifiable reason this guy should have a federal holiday in his honor. The only other guy who has that is Martin Luther King.

[Zabatakis]

This is so bad you might need to just learn that there is evidence that the "native americans" possibly killed off the indigenous people, the Solutreans, who had been in America around 22,000 BC, 10,000 years before the Asians crossed the land bridge.

Ugh. That was never more than a theory, never taken seriously by anyone still relevant in the field, and finally put to bed by genetic testing last year. Not that it would matter anyway, because you are still comparing everything bad about one set of people against a single guy that did nothing good on purpose. No one is saying rename the holiday after chief rapetorturebabies. But I don't expect to get anywhere with a guy comparing supposed money laundering and domestic violence of people who have no holiday to a combination genocide/rape/enslavement/exploitation by one who does.

When I read your post I picture a old ass dude shaking his cane bitching about how much better the world was before kids stepped on his lawn to get to the new bus stop. Calling you a contrarian would probably be more accurate tho. Its late, I am out.

Peace

[Xerra]

The part of the world that benefited from the mass enslavement and economic exploitation of north and south america, sure.

Fact is, there's just no justifiable reason this guy should have a federal holiday in his honor. The only other guy who has that is Martin Luther King.

Many lives were sacrificed to invent the internet. The holiday is just for state workers to get 3 day weekends more often. I really don't see the problem with calling it what it was named after. Put lipstick on a pig all you want its still just a day that postmen and banks can surf porn all day long. No one treats it with any reverence, calling it poopday or Micheal Jackson day doesn't change what it is mechanically. Every holiday is full of crap, heck xmas is just a jesusified pagan holiday; even Easter is a farce. Welcome to reality, since I don't work for a bank or the government I called it Monday.

[Independent voter]

Columbus Day parades are big in the East of the US, where a lot of Italian-Americans claim Columbus as on of theirs. Mexican-Americans might have a claim to Columbus too as his mission was funded by the Spanish.

I think an Indigenous Day would be great but it might not be politically possible.

I don't think the fed gives Columbus Day off.

[Oktoberfest]

This is stupid. There are no Native Americans. Never were.

[diddle]

This is stupid. There are no Native Americans. Never were.

Yep we're all African, let's just go with that...

[Oktoberfest]

Yep we're all African, let's just go with that...

Exactly. It is time we stop calling the Indians 'native'

[hakujinbakasama]

Columbus Day parades are big in the East of the US, where a lot of Italian-Americans claim Columbus as on of theirs. Mexican-Americans might have a claim to Columbus too as his mission was funded by the Spanish.

I think an Indigenous Day would be great but it might not be politically possible.

I don't think the fed gives Columbus Day off.

I'd argue that if Columbus is given a day perhaps we should fight for Al Capone's lack of representation.

[Themius]

Fuck... fair enough. Still, it's essentially "we beat you day"

It's not fair enough... every single culture mass murdered. It's generally considered far worse when you sail across the world, enslave and murder shit tons of people. "Didn't slave away enough gold? Well you're losing a hand" and then become a hero. We're talking about a single crazy guy who is celebrated. It's like if there was a Spanish heritage parade and celebrate Torquemada, like... What the fuck for?!

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Well your debating skills are unequaled I mean sentences like "Your want to be associated with that shit?!" pure poetry.

My dear, in my very quote I didn't say "your want" what are you talking about?

Do I look like i'm on a fucking stage? My lord... remove pole please.

[Deleted]

Good for Alaska, they woke up on the true nature of Columbus and made something so that a greedy murderer is not celebrated.

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I don't see a problem with Columbus Day or Indigenous People Day. Indigenous people mass murdered and raped as well, so that isn't a good reason to favor one over the other.

True. But not all indigenous people mass murdered and raped others. You're comparing one man who surely did it so 100% criminal to an entire culture which might have had like... heck, even 25% criminals. What about the rest?