Bernie Sanders Is Unlikely To Win The Democratic Primary.

[Tinykong]

But muh evil socialism.

Just think of it: healthcare for everyone, affordable college tuition, less homelessness, less poverty, less crime, less waste.

It's horrible.

[PC2]

Just think of it: healthcare for everyone, affordable college tuition, less homelessness, less poverty, less crime, less waste.

It's horrible.

We already have healthcare for everyone. If you are poor you sign up under the ACA, then you get free healthcare service.

[Malachi256]

Just think of it: healthcare for everyone, affordable college tuition, less homelessness, less poverty, less crime, less waste.

It's horrible.

And most fiscal conservatives would love those things as well, they simply believe that handing them out leads to more suffering in the long run because it doesn't actually stimulate productivity in your populace / economy.

[Tinykong]

We already have healthcare for everyone. If you are poor you sign up under the ACA, then you get free healthcare service.

Except if you live in:

Idaho
Wyoming
South Dakota
Nebraska
Kansas
Oklahoma
Texas
Louisiana
Mississippi
Missouri
Alabama
Tennessee
Alabama
Georgia
Florida
South Carolina
North Carolina
Virginia
Wisconsin
Maine

Then you aren't covered by the ACA Medicaid expansion.

Whomp whomp.

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And most fiscal conservatives would love those things as well, they simply believe that handing them out leads to more suffering in the long run because it doesn't actually stimulate productivity in your populace / economy.

The cold hard reality is that the number of total jobs is going to be shrinking forever. We're automating more, productivity is very high, and frankly, we can't possiblY employ everyone.

[Kujako]

The cold hard reality is that the number of total jobs is going to be shrinking forever. We're automating more, productivity is very high, and frankly, we can't possiblY employ everyone.

The goal of any advanced civilization should be 100% unemployment and automation.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Pretty much all the major news sites did this. All had polls with Sanders winning the debate, all made articles on how Hillary won.

The DNC demands Hillary be the next overlord.

They will not tolerate disobedience.

I'm convinced the whole "tired of your damn emails" was a planned stunt Sanders had to to do even get invited to that debate.

[Adam Jensen]

The goal of any advanced civilization should be 100% unemployment and automation.

Which means doing away with capitalism entirely.

[Kujako]

Which means doing away with capitalism entirely.

In the long run, yea.

[Fugus]

We already have healthcare for everyone. If you are poor you sign up under the ACA, then you get free healthcare service.

Except that it is already pointed out that we don't have healthcare for everyone.

And also, since many die-hard conservatives like to point it out, nothing is free, even the ACA and when comparing costs, Universal Healthcare ends up being both cheaper and superior in quality to what we currently have.

While the ACA is better than our previous system, it isn't that great at all compared to our other alternatives.

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The DNC demands Hillary be the next overlord.

They will not tolerate disobedience.

I'm convinced the whole "tired of your damn emails" was a planned stunt Sanders had to to do even get invited to that debate.

Or it could have been a stunt to actually get the debate to actually be about the issues instead of it being an entire show bringing up the emails half of the entire event.

Can't debate the issues when all they are caring about is emails.

[Stacyrect]

If trump doesn't win the nomination, I am voting for sanders. I don't trust any of the other pub candidates, likewise with democrats. If sanders doesn't get the nomination in the DNC then fuck it Im not gonna even bother to vote.

[Mavick]

We already have healthcare for everyone. If you are poor you sign up under the ACA, then you get free healthcare service.

Flat out not true. Living in one of the states an earlier poster mentioned, I'm under the poverty line and would have to pay around $50 a month for healthcare with a ridiculously high deductible, making it essentially useless to me. I'd still have to pay a ton of money that I don't have to have something treated. So try sticking with facts, maybe.

[Yvaelle]

The DNC demands Hillary be the next overlord.

They will not tolerate disobedience.

I'm convinced the whole "tired of your damn emails" was a planned stunt Sanders had to to do even get invited to that debate.

I'm convinced the whole country is tired of her damned emails. Like everyone elses emails they are boring. No secret world-destroying plots. Plus the GOP admitted it was bullshit to try to wreck her polling numbers, along with Benghazi.

[Malachi256]

The cold hard reality is that the number of total jobs is going to be shrinking forever. We're automating more, productivity is very high, and frankly, we can't possiblY employ everyone.

I agree with this, at least in theory. Human history hasn't had a lot of time to deal with the widespread automation, so it's hard to say that FOR SURE employment is going to go down. It could just be that employment is going to significantly change. Nonetheless, I agree with the basic theory. That doesn't mean that socialism is the best solution to the issue.

People around here tend to think that self-motivation is just an inherent trait - if you take care of people's basic needs, they'll still be self-motivated to do something worthwhile with their lives. I simply don't agree, and I believe most employers would say the same thing - self-motivation is a valuable trait because it is not common. In fact, I believe that when people subsist on handouts, they often become counterproductive to their society.

[Fugus]

I agree with this, at least in theory. Human history hasn't had a lot of time to deal with the widespread automation, so it's hard to say that FOR SURE employment is going to go down. It could just be that employment is going to significantly change. Nonetheless, I agree with the basic theory. That doesn't mean that socialism is the best solution to the issue.

People around here tend to think that self-motivation is just an inherent trait - if you take care of people's basic needs, they'll still be self-motivated to do something worthwhile with their lives. I simply don't agree, and I believe most employers would say the same thing - self-motivation is a valuable trait because it is not common. In fact, I believe that when people subsist on handouts, they often become counterproductive to their society.

Actually, many, if not most people can and are self-motivated to do stuff they are passionate about.

What most employers are talking about it having people motivated to their jobs that they likely don't want to do. And you aren't going to have people motivated to do something they don't want to do no matter what you do, what they are seeing is either people who actually enjoy their jobs or people who aren't motivated at all and just have a "Suck it up and move on" mentality about it and are doing it because it has to be done, no motivation at all behind it.

As far as socialism being the best solution, there is probably something better, but it is still better than any other solution we have tried so far.

And if it comes to that, you will see a bunch of people sitting on their asses at first and probably for a while as a sort of vacation, but eventually most people want to do something as it gets boring and just like children at the end of summer vacation, they will find work to do, except this time it will be work they want to do and can develop a passion for.

[Malachi256]

Actually, many, if not most people can and are self-motivated to do stuff they are passionate about.

If you mean "eat, watch TV, play games, troll MMO-OT, screw," then I guess I agree?

Otherwise I really do think you and I live in different worlds.

[TrumpIsPresident]

Or it could have been a stunt to actually get the debate to actually be about the issues instead of it being an entire show bringing up the emails half of the entire event.

The likelihood of that happening on a CNN DEBATE ...was 0.00%

CNN would have never ever ever EVER drilled Hillary on her crimes.

They lobbed that softball at her with the specific purpose of setting her up to continue mocking it like shes been doing all along.

Now ...make her answer questions in a debate not hosted by a "news organization" invested in electing a Democrat and it would likely include a lot of time spent on her email crimes.

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I'm convinced the whole country is tired of her damned emails. Like everyone elses emails they are boring. No secret world-destroying plots. Plus the GOP admitted it was bullshit to try to wreck her polling numbers, along with Benghazi.

A crime was committed, we want to see justice.

Politicians should not be held above the law and sure as all fuck shall be ...if it was a Republican who did what Hillary did they would not be receiving the same comedy routine shielding from CNN.

But either way the premise of the OP is correct: Sanders wont get tapped.

The same forces at work shielding Hillary from her criminal activity are at work ensuring she is presented as the "winner" over Sanders.

The DNC internally decided Hillary was the 2016 overlord and so shall it be ...election process be damned.

I feel bad for the Sanders supporters because they are being cheated out of have a fair shot for their choice.

Their choice is essentially being suppressed.

And the same is happening to Trump via the Republican shot callers.

This will probably go down in history as the most bullshit corrupt election yet, for everybody.

[Fugus]

If you mean "eat, watch TV, play games, troll MMO-OT, screw," then I guess I agree?

Otherwise I really do think you and I live in different worlds.

I mean like actual work. I have known plenty who try that stuff when they don't have crap to do for extended periods of time, it gets boring.

Many take up hobbies whether it be playing an instrument, carpentry, pottery or other things.

Just because it isn't making someone else money doesn't mean it can't be productive. Plenty like to build stuff with their bare hands but don't have that option or the time or resources to do it.

But lets face it, you aren't going to see too many people passionate about thankless customer service jobs that leaves them homeless or relying on handouts anyways.

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The likelihood of that happening on a CNN DEBATE ...was 0.00%

CNN would have never ever ever EVER drilled Hillary on her crimes.

They lobbed that softball at her with the specific purpose of setting her up to continue mocking it like shes been doing all along.

Now ...make her answer questions in a debate not hosted by a "news organization" invested in electing a Democrat and it would likely include a lot of time spent on her email crimes.

I personally would also like to see debates handled differently. I personally would rather see the primaries abolished, the voting method changed to allow more than 2 people to run and have them all run based on their merits with all outside funding, donations and discounts and even their own money banned from use in the elections so they all have to run on the same budget.

I personally am a Sanders fan and will not vote for Hillary even if she wins, I would rather go in and write Sanders name in anyways than vote for her, she is too establishment for me with a previous record that makes her unelectable to me. Your words are less important than your actions and track record and both of theirs speak wonders about them.

Edit: But as far as the emails go, to watch them try and harp or even dismiss them the entire debate would still detract from the actual issues. So I would say it was best to ignore the emails for the purpose of the debate and can harp on them again afterward after the issues of the presidency and how they would handle it were discussed.