Swiss federal election, 2015: Bright future ahead!

[Thepersona]

Why because I don't believe it's anyones lone right to kill something it took two people to make? Unless you didn't consent in the first place it isn't just yours. It might be in your body, but it is also his, and his voice matters to. Besides killing humans because they "aren't genetically sound" or because "they would have a bad poor life" is a shitty reason. Lets just kill the mentally handicapped, and poor then why we are at. Seriously. Liberals. I am done with you idiots.

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Pro-life, that single celled organism in you scientifically is ALIVE. I am supporting it, therefore I am pro-life, the fact that you demonize men, and women, who CHOSE to be Pro-life proves that Pro-Choice isn't even Pro-Choice, its Pro-Babykilling.

thanks, with that slippery slope of yours i can (and i think the rest of the posters also can) see your mental capabilities

PS: i think you don't know anything about biology, the zygote is alive in the same way a cancerous cell (or a blood cell) is alive

[Kalis]

Safest country in Europe though...

Based on what criteria?

Denmark, Malta and Iceland are generally regarded as the safest European nations, then it's the likes of Austria and Swizerland.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Why because I don't believe it's anyones lone right to kill something it took two people to make? Unless you didn't consent in the first place it isn't just yours. It might be in your body, but it is also his, and his voice matters to. Besides killing humans because they "aren't genetically sound" or because "they would have a bad poor life" is a shitty reason. Lets just kill the mentally handicapped, and poor then why we are at. Seriously. Liberals. I am done with you idiots.

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Pro-life, that single celled organism in you scientifically is ALIVE. I am supporting it, therefore I am pro-life, the fact that you demonize men, and women, who CHOSE to be Pro-life proves that Pro-Choice isn't even Pro-Choice, its Pro-Babykilling.

You're welcome to transplant a uterus (since it's been done successfully now) into your own body and carry a child. Until then there's a far bigger burden on one party. Anti-choice fascism police state, here we come!

[Primalthirst]

Are they more or less pro-neutrality than previous Swiss govts?

[Sir Andy]

thanks, with that slippery slope of yours i can (and i think the rest of the posters also can) see your mental capabilities

PS: i think you don't know anything about biology, the zygote is alive in the same way a cancerous cell (or a blood cell) is alive

Except a cancerous cell doesn't gestate for 30 something weeks and become a living, breathing human.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Except a cancerous cell doesn't gestate for 30 something weeks and become a living, breathing human.

Neither do half of pregnancies.

[Captain N]

Except a cancerous cell doesn't gestate for 30 something weeks and become a living, breathing human.

I don't know -- I've seen some of the actions made by the Pro-Life crowd that could only be qualified as cancerous to human society.

[Kellhound]

I don't know -- I've seen some of the actions made by the Pro-Life crowd that could only be qualified as cancerous to human society.

That can be said of both sides.

[igualitarist]

One of the things that made me hate the left wing was certainly this forum. This thread on it's beggining is already full of arrogance of the left wingers (if the right wing wins the country will fall apart, it will become fascist, the population is becoming dumb...)

[Thepersona]

Except a cancerous cell doesn't gestate for 30 something weeks and become a living, breathing human.

there is something called potentiality
a zygote is a potential human. something with potentiality can't have the same rights as a full fledged being (i dunno if i worded it correctly)

One of the things that made me hate the left wing was certainly this forum. This thread on it's beggining is already full of arrogance of the left wingers (if the right wing wins the country will fall apart, it will become fascist, the population is becoming dumb...)

the thing is, conservative people are on average dumber than liberals

[Ealyssa]

The governement didn't change yet. Its election will be the 9th december.

It's only the chambers who were elected. With a small progression of the 2 main right parties who mainly took seats from the two ecological parties (one left, one right).
Nothing really changed in Switzerland actually. And barelly anything will change the 9th. Our system is really stable. Our governement representation is basically 2 ministers for each of the 3 bigger parties, and one minister for the 4th. So the only realy consequence is if one of the party will have a second minister and another loose one (they are elected individually by the swiss assembly : the two chambers reunited)

Don't know where OP pulled all is info about Switzerland being sudenly being "strongly pro-life, pro-law, and pro-safety" but I can safely confirm that's it's 100% bullshit. First what the fuck being "pro-law" or "pro-safety" means ? What party is against that ? Not a single one in Switzerland at least. And "pro-life" isn't a debate here. Abortion is legal and probably will be forever. Outside some lunatics their isn't any party against it.

Small facts about swiss politics, from Switzerland (can bet OP isn't swiss).

[Deleted]

many in Europe are beginning to see what damage liberal philosophy is doing to their societies and they are beginning to give a finger to being politically correct and putting their well being and safety ahead of being PC

This. I just hope enough people wake up before it's too late.

If/when left-wing politics cause people to see even the far right as the lesser evil, who's to blame?

[igualitarist]

there is something called potentiality
a zygote is a potential human. something with potentiality can't have the same rights as a full fledged being (i dunno if i worded it correctly)




the thing is, conservative people are on average dumber than liberals

Maybe they were just less exposed to indoctrination in the college ?

I mean, i used to be a left winger when i was in college, but because, just because everything we read there was left wing material. Anything related to right wing was studied through a very biased critical vision.

Then l started to study economics by myself and decided to read some right wing material, guess what happened ? I noticed how the views on the economics of the right, makes much more sense than the views on this subject of the left.

Of course this is only an anecdoctal evidence and proves nothing, but the thing is, if the academy surpresses right wing material and focus only on the left wing views, it's pretty solid to conclude that the more educated people will lean to the left.

Based on what i see left wing ideologies prevails in academia. Again, i have no cientifical data to back up this claim (i have to be this defensive because people here are usually very sophists), but i just can't deny to myself this fact that i see as so evident.

[Garnier Fructis]

"Pro life." "Fuck these people."

That moral consistency.

[zephid]

What is wrong with being pro-life?

Nothing as long are you are not forcing your views on others.

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Except a cancerous cell doesn't gestate for 30 something weeks and become a living, breathing human.

Neither does every zygote become a living, breathing human. It has the potential to evolve into a human being, but it's not guaranteed that it will.

[Moralgy]

You can't force a person to give blood to save another person, so why should you be able to force a woman to give far more than blood to create a human if she doesn't want to?

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"Pro life." "Fuck these people."

That moral consistency.

Pro-life up until you actually become a human, than screw you!

[Ripster42]

Nothing as long are you are not forcing your views on others.

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Neither does every zygote become a living, breathing human. It has the potential to evolve into a human being, but it's not guaranteed that it will.

Develop. Not evolve.

[Thepersona]

Maybe they were just less exposed to indoctrination in the college ?

I mean, i used to be a left winger when i was in college, but because, just because everything we read there was left wing material. Anything related to right wing was studied through a very biased critical vision.

Then l started to study economics by myself and decided to read some right wing material, guess what happened ? I noticed how the views on the economics of the right, makes much more sense than the views on this subject of the left.

Of course this is only an anecdoctal evidence and proves nothing, but the thing is, if the academy surpresses right wing material and focus only on the left wing views, it's pretty solid to conclude that the more educated people will lean to the left.

Based on what i see left wing ideologies prevails in academia. Again, i have no cientifical data to back up this claim (i have to be this defensive because people here are usually very sophists), but i just can't deny to myself this fact that i see as so evident.

i lol'd
i'm too studying economics (college), and every year, i'm leaning far more to te left wing bcoz the academy of economics is incredibly biased on neoliberal capitalism.
that thing you should know
and the academia does not supress right leaning material. actually the cuantity of it is far less than of the "left leaning" papers. (right leaning as in: market solves everything that's been proven false many many times)

[Masark]

That can be said of both sides.

One side results in the deaths of actual people.

That side also contains people that think murder, kidnapping, death threats, bombings, and arson are legitimate means of promoting their ideology.

[Deleted]

so they are anti bad choice, pro justice and pro safety
nice, when i thought those stupid way of thinking was gone in europe

I fixed your post. Thank me.

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So conservatives, who are going to take away women rights as pro-life means more restrictions on abortion?
More law means more police power, what means more authoritarian forms of government as it generally tends to also mean speeding up the law process what is rarely in benefit of the accused.
And a focus on xenophobia since foreigners are bad and all there to steal their goods while they do need them for their industries.

The wrong form of right politics it seems.

You are, obviously, entirely wrong.
Female rights ARE overrated.
Justice is good, ALWAYS.
Safety is, again, GOOD - ALWAYS.