You don't know about the terrain, yet you keep dismissing it as a factor?
And were defeated. Partly by the European geography that negated the Huns traditional advantages in battle.The Huns reached Chalon, France from east.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle...launian_Plains
Requires a navy, leaving the Mongols open to attacks from European navies.The Arabs reached Tours, France from south.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Tours
I've been arguing that you need a navy to make inroads, the terrain isn't suited for inland cavalry marches as you can't feed your horses. Europe is conquered from the coast inwards, as the sea is your supply line.
The part of Europe suited to massive cavalry formations was beaten by the Mongols as their advantage could be deployed there. HUngary is a goner, it has no chance, the regions bordering Hungary are equally screwed.The Mongols invaded the whole Eastern Europe
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mongol_invasion_of_Europe
Germany or any of the other forested or mountain regions that require you to bring your own fodder.So what is the unsuited land for cavalry in Europe in your theory?
Europe isn't suited for large scale cavalry warfare, that is precisely the reason why even the wealthiest nations didn't bother to develop cavalry forces along the Asian lines. The European armies knew that fighting Asian cavalry troops in Asia would almost certainly lead to defeat, you can't kill someone that you can't hit, but there was no need to use those tactics in Europe as you can't get away far enough to make mobile missile troops effective.I had no intention to insult anyone, but merely point out the lack of logic in your post.
Maybe I would agree that Mongols couldn't conqueror Europe because of logistics, diplomacy or other reasons.
And certainly they couldn't rule long in Europe, just like they couldn't rule long in China or Arabia.
But saying Europe is not suited for horses or cavalry and bringing up navy is just unfounded.
Navies are incredibly important in European warfare for the opposite reason that mass cavalry aren't important. They are the European mobile forces.
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Why does fighting Europeans, in a European environment and having to use European-style tactics, give the Mongols an advantage? You are casually removing their main strength, then expecting Europeans to roll over to other Europeans just because the Mongols are in charge.
Massed horse archers weren't, nor was mobility the aim of the French-style of cavalry. The French used them as a battering ram, not a mosquito as the Mongols did./facepalm Cavalry is a French word that comes from Italian. If Cavalry wasn't important in Europe then the word would be "морин хуур" morin khuur the Mongol word. We use the word in English from the source of the concept. French Cavalry was the real deal, Knights were very important in European warfare.
Look at Agincourt - that would never have happened to the Mongols as they were too mobile, it shows a fatal flaw in the European system of cavalry. However the Mongols would need far more space than a European cavalry would do, which is the flaw in their system.
That's irrelevant, the main transport systems were waterways. At no point have I said that nothing travelled overland.you make my head hurt, Romans built roads and bridges through out all of western Europe, many roads of Europe today are still along the same paths the Romans originally built. Further East where the Romans didn't invade, the local populations still built roads everywhere. It's not until you get east do the roads run out. But then the Mongols took all of that.
No, everything else in history stays the same. You don't get to rewrite all of history in a hypothetical, otherwise it gets ludicrous.In order for this hypothetical situation to be contemplated, you have to find the one thing that caused it not to happen. I disagree that it was the succession crisis that caused the Mongols from a proper European campaign, it was the failure in Japan and the loss of 150,000 men at arms. That crushed the Mongols will to continue. Had that campaign not taken place, or had they won, they would have continued westward. You can see this because the Successor Empires that came out of the Mongol Empire did just that.